Dariusz Michalczewski - would he had been a good win for Jones, or dismissed..

A win over him, probably one of - if not the biggest - test of his career would've meant very very much, clearly a top3 win of his career from a historical standpoint.

Roy's problem is that his resume vs. the actual elite cometition doesn't belong to the group of dozens of other ATG fighters who had SEVERAL wins vs. actual top elite boxers. You know, huge quality wins WHEN the opposition were top elite. The Hopkins win was too early, Bernard became a huge name and recognised P4P-er almost a decade later. The Tito win came too late. The Ruiz win is overrated. The LHW run is very impressive by performances, but not by the resume.

Dariusz Michalczewski won his world title before Jones, unified 3 belts before Jones, and his reign lasted as long as Jones'. He picked up the lineal title vs. Hill, and beat the available competition, just as Jones. He also won a title at CW, which is not a well known fact.

Jones best win is the actual p4p#2 Toney for the IBF SMW title, amazing victory. But imagine a win over Dariusz: unify all 4 titles for the first time in boxing history. Pick up the titles legitimately (Dariusz was stripped of the WBA and IBF), pick up his FIRST AND ONLY undisputed championship of his career, something still missing from his resume, and picking up the lineal belt in the division supposedly Roy's most meaningful. And doing all this over the 'other' dominant, unbeaten LHW champion of their era, who might crack into the HOF one day (I'm not sure).

So from a historical standpoint, the DM win, vs. the given fighter and for the titles and recognition it offered, might've been the most important win in Jones' career, or in the same league with the Toney and Hopkins wins.

 

Good post. A DM fight would have been huge and for all the marbles at Light Heavyweight. :good

 

Michalczewski had collected 4 belts, and beaten 4 of Ring magazine's top 5 Lightheavyweights by 1999, which is when he was in his prime and the world was clamouring for the fight.

Belts: WBA 175, WBO 175, IBF 175 (+ linear 175), WBO 190

Opponents: Barber (top 5, WBO champ), Griffin (top 5), Rochigianni (top 5), Hill (Ring #1, WBA + IBF champ)

Michalczewski would have been Roy's biggest win, if Roy managed to avoid both his hands all night and won a decision. If not, DM would have been the second loss of Roy's career, and the first one that would be by way of KO.

Dariusz Michalczewski is a Hall of Fame fighter, IMO.

 

atsch

 

Is there a bug on your head?

 

Barber was a bum...I made a posts about this a few days ago, how European fans love to call any American fighter that a European fighter beats a top elite fighter...Barber was a bum that is all he ever was. 25 ****ing fights in an 18 year career, not one win over a contender...He won a WBO belt that amounts to the WGAF belt...For those that done know WGAF stands for who give a ****...The WBO was nothing then and they were pretty much giving the belt away in those days...

DM has the weakest resume of any fighter that has ever been talked about as a HOF fighter..Its not even close...Case in point fights vs guys like Richard Hall and Derrick Harmon were seen a big fights for DM while Jones was blasted for fighting them...That is all that needs to be said about that:hi:

 

was Barber any worse than some of those guys Jones was fighting at the time? I mean he fought a police officer and a sanitation worker for christ sakes.

Both are to blame for the fight not happening but Roy fought his share of bums and no hopes also.

 

Barber was rated #4 by Ring magazine when Michalczewski beat him. Check your facts, don't post BS. :deal

He was a huge Lightheavyweight and a very tough, skilled Kronk Gym fighter, trained by Manny Stewart in his hey days.

Michalczewski broke Barber mentally and took his belt. Barber retired, then had a semi-unsuccessful comeback 3 years later, past his prime, at Cruiserweight.

All in all, it was a very good win for a still green Michalczewski. :good

As to former WBA interim champ Richard Hall, he's not a big ie. top 5 win for DM, but his stock has gone up now that he KOed former WBA champ Byron Mitchell.

DM has a good resume which is better than a few fighters currently in the Hall of Fame, not to mention guys that are up for discussion. Again, check your facts. :deal

 

Good post, sums it up just right.

 

Barber would have easily been one of Roy's best wins at 175 lbs.

He had a belt, and a top 4 ranking with Ring mag (when there was no champion).

That is an opponent who's two levels better than the Telescos, Hardings, etc, and three levels up from the Fraziers, Grants, etc.

 

Had this very same discussion with someone else regarding Calzaghe and how he might be viewed if he'd fought Dawson (and won).

In that instance, I maintained there would always be someone else to hold against Joe and some would never cede credit, no matter what.

(And Joe has a better excuse for not meeting Dawson: Age and retirement).


Regarding Roy and Darius, I'm of the opinion that Darius would have been Roy's greatest win, if he' had fought and beat him. I would favour Roy by UD (55 % probability).

There is no doubt that Roy did not go out of his way to make this fight happen. He was probably aware that it would have been his toughest challenge. I would characterize his behaviour as avoidance rather than ducking.

Equally, there is no evidence that Darius wanted to risk his 0 against Roy. He likewise knew what Roy was capable of, and must have guessed that Roy had the slightly better chance of victory.

So, it was to their mutual interest and convenience that this fight never happened. And to the loss of the boxing fans.



Would a victory have been a good win or dismissed ?

I (and most serious boxing fans) would have ranked it as very worthy. Some on the fence would have thought more highly of Roy for it.


Lads like Rico ?

Probably would have dismissed it and said something along the lines of
"he was over-rated" " he got exposed" etc.

For some, it will make no difference what Roy had accomplished, he will be dismissed.



Personally, I rank him as the best of his generation and the best in the sport since Duran.

 

It was a fight that was supposed to happen...In there primes a tough fight, D.M. had the pressure style to give Roy trouble and Roy had fast hands and feet both men had power...this fight was supposed to happen like Calzage/Kessler and Calzage/Lacy...would have been a great unification

 

I wonder if the people who mention Graciano Rocchigiani as a notable win actually know what happened in their first fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9_Dxs51QvI

 

That is what I figured. Roy had several fights that were complete jokes.

 

You do know that he beat him twice?

And in the rematch, Rocky was the official (retro-actively named) WBC Lightheavyweight champion, and got KOed by a liver shot?

Just checking.