Calzaghe or Hamed - who has the better legacy?

He fought and beat half a dozen "Legit" fighters

Top 5 ranked fighters, plenty world champs and one P4P ranked ATG fighter.


He never faced an opponent of the caliber of MAB when in their prime no, but either did fighters greater than himself.

I'm sure there are some random fighters who faced a dozen fighters of the caliber of MAB in his prime that wouldnt come close to Calzaghe's standing.

Never understood this particular criticism. It's not like there were plenty available to him.

There wasnt even one in his own division. Even a fight with Hop or Roy earlier relied on Hop switching divisions and giving up bigger fights, or moving division himself and chasing a man DM,Benn,Eubank and Collins couldnt arange fights with. The idea they were there just to be grabbed for him is bizarre.

 

thats all you had to say.

i'll always respect any poster who puts himself on the line rather than one who either uses emotes or abuses others to respond - everyone should.

but the part i disagree with in your post is that kessler is not a proven world class fighter.

he hasn't beaten a top fighter in his prime, just the best the supermiddles had to offer which were b-grade contenders - and until kessler(or lacy...) gets that win then calzaghe doesnt have a defining fight against a proven world class fighter.

his wins against both fighters were excellent, but hamed came to america and did what he had to do to get a fight against barrera (just like hatton did against floyd..), and the only europeans who are left without these defining moments are the ones who don't ante up and make their name and marketability international.

any fighter who european fighter who doesn't make those moves either needs a break (like froch is getting against taylor) or he can rename himself junior witter and be forgotten as time goes by.

 

i cant think of one fighter who fought on the world stage and became a legitimate world champion who either didn't move weight because the money was too good - or the opportunity - or had another high profile fighter with a strong fanbase and -or financial clout - come up or down to challenege him.

saying that there wasn't much available to calzaghe is the crux of the whole argument - and i guess it comes down to how people perceive things.

but the truth is that how hard would it have been for joe to beat a ranked middle through to light-heavy 8 or so years ago with US exposure and built on that to put himself in a position where he had the titles (done deal already), notoriety with the international beercan fan, and the financial clout to make a meag fight against a jones or hopkins happen - when it mattered?

i've said it all before but tell me what you disagree with.

 

but you said legit fighter..not world class fighter.
Kessler is world class anyway however even if he hasnt done enough to gain that status who else could calzaghe faced. its not like hamed who had barrera there and morales etc. and please dont say something like RJJ 10 years ago because i think il lose all respect.

still through your logic hamed has the better legacy because he had a world class fighter there to face- fought him and lost convincingly...then quit soon after...so he has the better legacy of the two:-(

 

nutnutnutnutnut:rofl:rofl

 

ill just add to HOYA-UK, i dont know why youre still talking about calzaghe and opening up these subjects when youve already stated that people have already forgotten calzaghe...lol. so why talk about him then!

 

kessler is world class but he's not a defining fight - as i explained above.

hamed didn't fight morales if thats what you meant - but why do you think hamed got the barrera fight and why would you lose respect if i mention jones?

it's exactly the same situation as it was then - hamed goes over to america, gets a couple of good wins and gets barrera.

hatton goes to america, gets a couple of good wins and gets floyd.

it really is that simple.

hamed lost something when he retired after losing to barrera, but he also dispelled the (largely) british myth that floats around on these boards that british fighters are 'avoided' and so on.

hatton did EXACTLY what hamed did way back when - and got the same reward - a career defining fight against one of the best fighters of the modern era in his prime.

calzaghe didn't and that's WHY he's in this position.

he' an excellent fighter and it's a shame this has to be brought up at all. but it was his choice.

 

what...hatton was a big star in the uk before he went to america...same with hamed...

calzaghe was not

There were many differences. Il leave it at that. Im off now

 

I cant reply to you because of you ridicolous statements! i sed it before i l say agen...theres no use talking about this cos hamed has the better legacy because by your estimation calzaghe is already forggotten.ok then lets not talk about it!

 

i meant calzaghe was not at the time before. gotta go now

 

hamed, calzaghe and hatton all made their names in britain and it was pretty undeniable that all 3 needed to test themselves against better opposition.

i just explained why 2 of them did that - and why calzaghe has been left in the cold.

 

Hop showed no intention of leaving a weak MW division for 7 years untill WW's came into the picture. It can be debated he would have left at all if he had got the nods over JT. Thats the first one that springs to mind.


When i said wasnt much available to him, im purely talking about fighters of the caliber of Barrera, seeing as that was the argument. And there was only 2. He beat plenty of ranked fighters in his career.


Completley agree a higher profile would have made those fights a closer possibility, buts thats no guarentee they get made, the names i mentioned before had plenty profile in the States(Maybe Collins excluded) and they still couldnt get made. It's no gimme.


Look how far away a Pav/AA fight is. 1 Euro and 1 American. AA has a higher profile than Calz had, Pav seems reletively easy to make fights with, AA went to the States and fought the man they wanted, they are even in the same division.


We've been here before like you said so back to the original point, Kevin Kelley faced Naz,Morales and MAB. Does that automatically bring him up to Naz's stature. Or hurt Naz when comparing him to Kevin. I cant see it.