Where do you Rank Mickey Walker in your ATG?

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  1. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    im really curious how people rank mickey walker in their list..

    dinamita - 8th
    mcgrain - 6th
    tbooze - 16th
    sweet_scientist - 24th
    espn - 17th
    ring mag - 27th (last 80 years only)
    bert sugar - 11th
    trampie - 5th

    i personally ranked him 21st. i feel he did not accomplished more. he beat britton, narrowly beat flowers and lost to loughran. his career defining bout is when he give up 30 pounds and held sharkey to a draw..

    i want to ask why would you ranked him above hagler, chavez, arguello and saddler(fighters in the 18-23 range)? and how would you compare him to ross and monzon( fighters in the 12th-15th range) ..honestly, i do not think he is top 10 material..

    in terms of overall career and accomplishment. taking into consideration everything with primarily consideration his accomplishment, how would you rank him?

    if i would do a prime vs prime list or head to head list. then he'll be top 10. but i do not think he is top 10 in terms of accomplishment...
     
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  2. DINAMITA

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    I have him 8th, but I see the argument for having him as high as 6th. I do not understand why anyone would not have him top 10. Don't have time to go into why now, will check this thread out tomorrow.
     
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  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I have him top 10. I could see him just outside, but I think he edges out most others for a spot around #7 or so.

    Walker was the definition of P4P. He was very accomplished at Welterweight and Middleweight, deserving of a top 10 ranking in both divisions, and had excellent success up at LHW and heavy as well.
     
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  4. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    but pac and mclarnin have also success in various divisions as well..does he accomplished more than leonard and sweet pea?
     
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  5. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    number 4 at 147 and number 23 P4P...
     
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  6. WhataRock

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    I have him like 13th or 14th I think.

    He could easily move up a few spots, or even down a couple in my list such is the the closeness of the fighters around that range.

    Pretty much sums up the definition of p4p.Quite like Langford and Walcott did..After really looking into it, having him outside the top 20 seems far to low.

    I think his accomplishments are what make him asero..Considering his longevity, his p4p achievments and his amount of wins over quality opposition. The film of him in his prime is probably to sparse to definitevly rank him in a H2H sense. Much easier to do it based on his accomplishments IMO, which are very impressive.
     
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  7. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    who would you think from these list of boxers would you ranked lower than walker? i really feel that hagler accomplish more. he is p4p king for 5 years in the 1980s.


    Archie Moore
    Benny Leonard
    Ray Leonard
    Pernell Whitaker
    Carlos Monzon
    Jack Johnson
    Barney Ross
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Marvin Hagler
    Joe Gans
    Jimmy Wilde
     
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  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know I have Moore and Benny Leonard higher.

    I think I have Gans and Ray Leonard aswell.

    The rest would come in below Walker IMO..Depending on your criteria a few have Fitzsimmons very close if not higher than Mickey.

    Hagler did things differently to Mickey..Mickey fought a lot of bigger fighters to get where he is, Marvin's signature wins were over smaller fighters. I have been told I overrate Hagler and I have him about 6 spots below Walker, I could never picture myself considering him greater...except in alltime middleweight rankings perhaps.
     
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  9. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    rock, i check your all-time list minutes ago, you had walker at 21st spot..why all of a sudden you pushes him to the 13th spot..i place walker..we have the same top 20 except i put fitzsimmons there and you put saddler
     
    asero, Feb 22, 2009
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  10. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    That was my initial list that I was rehashing based on memory...I missed Walker completely on the first draft as I couldnt remember where he was ranked.

    I slotted him in at 21st and made the disclaimer that I will review the whole thing when I stretch it out to the 100.
    After some thought I thought Mickey deserved to be inside the top20, and inside the top 15 seemed fair.

    I know you dont like Saddler asero...dirtiest fighter of all time as you like to remind us :lol:.
    Fitz is a bit low in my list for some...but I dont think its to unreasonable having him there.
     
    WhataRock, Feb 22, 2009
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  11. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i do not like him, but saddler is still top 2 FW, i had him at 22nd...so you have sweet pea, monzon, ross and jack johnson below walker? honestly, still i think these four have better accomplishment that walker?
     
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  12. asero

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    i put hagler in my top 20 for the simple reason that he is top p4p fighter for 5 consecutive years in one of the richest era in boxing..it's hard to duplicate..dela hoya is top 1 p4p for four years but we all now that he doesnt live up to it as he losses to trinidad and mosley..
     
    asero, Feb 22, 2009
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  13. WhataRock

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    I really cant see how Johnson has..not even close. But I know you put a lot of emphasis on the historical impact and "timelessness" of a fighter, which I do not.

    Pea, Monzon and Ross are pretty close to Mickey anyway IMO.
     
    WhataRock, Feb 22, 2009
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  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    as far i would want to put walker in my top 20, i really can't. i believe that my top 20 is fixed..chavez, arguello, saddler and walker misses by top 20 considerably. but still those 4 are very far away from jones, marciano, tunney and hopkins...
     
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  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    25 for me. Arguello inside my top 20
     
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