Part I: Classic's Consensus P4P Top 10 Inclusions

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  1. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Agree with McGrain that the 5 fighters he mentioned are the only 'locks'. Ray Leonard, Micky Walker, Benny Leonard and Pernell Whitaker are all strong contenders for top 10 consideration. Most of 'em make my 10.
     
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  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I appreciate the input Holmes'.... I'll put Leonard in the running for a place.
     
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  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even though it makes me feel feverishly ill.
     
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  4. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    :D For me, Ray is the greatest fighter of the last 30-odd years or so.


    Ps: My heavyweight pick to make it would be Louis. Ali might.
     
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  5. asero

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    louis should be there...ali and louis should be close to one another

    fitzsimmons > walker
     
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    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    You could make a case, though I have 'em the other way around.
     
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  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Greater than Duran?? BAH!!!


    Louis has been seconded. He's in.
     
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  8. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    my bad, so gans, johnson, wilde and fitzsimmons are not qualified since their prime happened before 1920s...

    top 5 is locked...langford,robinson,armstrong,greb, charles

    is this a p4p h2h list (skill based) or a list that is based on accomplishment
     
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  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm looking at the including the following categories -give or take- and scoring on a 1-10 basis:

    Experience/Quality of Competition
    Longevity
    Dominance
    Ring Generalship
    Performance against larger opponents
    Adversity overcome
     
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  10. asero

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    how about losses in significant fights..where does it fall? dominance or quality of competiton?
     
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    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, dominance. I was thinking about throwing in W/L ratio but that would lend an unfair advantage to more modern fighters and greats like Langford would really suffer.
     
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  12. asero

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    how about the record of joe louis in most number of defenses...longetivity or dominance?
     
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  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dominance. Longevity would be more like number of fights and years pro.

    Good questions. Keep 'em coming... they help to streamline this upcoming effort and I hope that you will be active in the "Part II"
     
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  14. asero

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  15. asero

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    that's why i put premium on timeliness...that is the category when a boxer's accomplishment is being compared with other boxer's accomplishment with different era..joe louis record setting defenses...pacquiao's potential 7 division titles...wilde's lagacy in lighter division..

    that is the category where calzaghe would gain grounds as years pass by..his 168 career is hard to equalize
     
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