Calzaghe top 10 perfomances

no i'm judging you based on what you say. people who are straight up on this board never need to backtrack to defend a point of view because they aren't bullshitting to begin with or playing an angle.

that's why you haven't given any references to your boxing 'career' that you claim to have had and you're trying to ride this out looking for holes in my argument to take the heat away from that.

i'll appreciate anyone - anyone - who has a strong opinion so long as it's real and they are being themselves online.

but that's not as common as it should be, is it?

 

Rubbish, watch the end of the fight. Calzaghe and Enzos faces clearly show they think they have lost. I don't want to argue, it's old news - but don't make things up - tell lies. That fight could have been given either way at the end without "robbery!" being genuinely screamed. It was a close fight, and a lot depends on how much value you place on clean punching and effective aggression.

 

A while back Beatboxer posted a video with a title something like "Calzaghe slaps Hopkins around", it lasted about 1min 30 and was basically slow motion clips of the two punches Calzaghe actually landed in the fight, and a few misses and glove shots. However, at the end of the vid they show you Calzaghe in real-time waiting for and then hearing the verdict.

Absolutely demoralized to sheer unadulterated relief - best example of it I've ever seen. You can literally smell the fear!

 

you're misreading me.

i don't care really who has fought or not on this forum and i don't use that as a 'feather in my cap' to assume i'm better than anyone.

that's superficial.

i'm saying this guy is a bullshitter who takes the time to downplay the achievements of people who have achieved more than he has in life - and it's only becuase he was disrespectful and judgmental of someone who has tested himself (probably) more than he ever will that i take exception.

i don't think that's unreasonable.

 

That had nothing to do with the fighting taking place in America? Come on now, Joe being nervous was not any admission by Joe that he lost the fight. He says he thought he won, and I believe him.

 

Of course it is.

On the logic of your post, none of us can dismiss the chances of any professional boxer in any fight, because they have achieved more than us?

We may as well shut down this forum then!

I did not believe Roy Jones had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Joe Calzaghe. Roy Jones has achieved more than I ever will. Am I a bullshitter etc for presenting my genuine opinion based on watching Jones's last 6 fights in sequence right before the Calzaghe fight?

 

He says he thought he won after he had already won, I don't believe him. Pointless argument, as neither of us can read minds.

 

i'm talking about being objective.

like i said - i don't judge people based on their opinions alone.

i'm happy to debate anything with anyone if they are being objective.

but people who aren't stick out like a sore thumb.

EDIT: no, i'd never judge you based on your opinion of this fight if it was constructive and you backed it up. and your allegiance is immaterial.

 

There is no arguement.

I'm just saying looking terrified when the cards are being read out is not an admission of defeat.

 

I'm not too sure about this, as I haven't heard it myself, but I've read posts from some people saying Enzo was telling Joe he had to knock Bernard out to win...

... I'm not too sure about that... so ...

Anyway, I genuine think Joe believed, for a moment or so, he had lost that fight at the end...

As far as fighting in the US goes, plenty of British fighters have fought in the US without having that demeanour at the end.

 

Enzo telling Joe he had to knock Bernard out to win was to keep him motivated. This has historically been the case. Again, not an admission by Joe's camp that he was losing the fight by any means.

Joe was an undefeated fighter, and had a hell of a lot to lose. He was very nervous because if he lost that fight, that would be his entire career undone essentially. He had an undefeated record to protect.

I felt Joe won the fight comfortably, and I believe Joe when he says he won the fight.

 

you haven'øt brought shame to boxing.

but you are selling yourself as something that you are not.

how can you bring shame to a sport you've never been a part of?

i'm not trying to heckle you - but you did try to sell yourself as a fighter when you clearly weren't.

 

He felt he hadn't done enough.

If he had felt he had done enough, he wouldn't have looked like he was ready to burst into tears, he would at least have been defiant.