How good a fight was Holyfield vs Tyson I

Can you explain it to me then?

Was Tyson having his way at ANY point in that match? If he was, where was the mushroom cloud? When did Holy hit the canvas? In what round did he outbox Holyfield?

Holy muffled Tyson's first round onslaught.

He boxed and held, not unlike a Holmes or an Ali would have under similar circumstances, at a decent pace based on the opponent and the style he was presented with, taking the 5th off, resurging his efforts, emphatically, in the 6th.

From the sixth on Tyson was in the deep end of the pool.

Ultimately he was drowned.

Please tell me where Tyson "outboxed" or "outfought" Holyfield in that fight.

 

Well if you're going to spout shite like "Holy took the 5th round off" is it really worth it?


ps. Bokaj said he had Tyson ahead after 5, not 10 (and you yourself only had it 3-2 by all accounts, so only a one-round swing).

 

What is "shite"? And who the hell is "sprouting"?

I'm not spouting anything.

I am stating what I saw. My opinion, one that I stand behind. Apparently, Holyfield took the 5th off and resurged his efforts moving forward in the sixth...or did Tyson just happen to trip over himself "outboxing" Evander?

Was Tyson anwhere near effective rounds 2 through 4?

Perhaps there's only one way to view a bout...through your eyes.

Are you able to discuss this without going Nancy on me? :smooch

 

Tyson had a very solid 5th round, of that's there's no doubt. It was arguably the clearest round of the fight until that point (Holy's finale to the second was big but that only encompassed the death throes of the stanza). If you see this as Holy taking it easy, it's obviously you that's seeing what you want and can only be filed under: shite. If the round's available throw it up and see what others think.

 

No. But the 1st and 5th were clear. I think I may have given him one or a share of the 3rd or 4th (can't recall which).

 

Nothing here is "obvious". And how would you have any idea of what "I wanted" when viewing that fight?

I'd suggest you rethink your assertions.

Now again so that we are clear....I handed out and stand behind my opinion. To read it from you, that seems to be a bad thing. Now I have to qualify that by "throwing the round up to see what others think"?

Are you always so driven to ram your views home?

Relax and enjoy the banter. Stop getting all worked up. Hell, I didn't even notice you around the forum and it's like I've pinched a nipple, lit you up, made you feel all defensive...without even realizing it. I'm not into mopping up your juices. :yep

Breath, relax, enjoy.

 

It seems to be you're judging round 5 based on what happened in round 6, apparently forgetting (if you watched it live) how uncomfortable some moments were for Evander in that 5th. A fine round for Tyson, i've yet to talk to anyone else who thinks otherwise (apart from the bloke who played Jai in the Tarzan series from the 1970s, but what does he know?)

 

I'm fine, it's more a case of laughing at you. But all-in-all I think I'll take your advice on board and dismiss my favourite fighter being punched solidly by him "taking a breather". I heard you gave Mike Quarry the 4th vs Bob Foster too didn't you?

 

I'm looking at round five based on a few factors, not based on round six...but conveniently enough, Holyfield's success in the sixth could lend credence to the possibility he was "regrouping" or "coasting" in the 5th.

As for this - "i've yet to talk to anyone else who thinks otherwise (apart from the bloke who played Jai in the Tarzan series from the 1970s, but what does he know?)" - I cannot speak to that. I do know that I have spoken to or exchanged with a few that agree with my opinion, as well as a few that do not, which is fine. I respect your view too and have no desire to liken it to "shite". I'm secure enough to let it be what it is, Tarzan, Jane of the chimp notwithstanding.

I do want to thank you for one thing though......

 

I think you're basing it wholly on that. There's no way someone 'regrouping' would take the decent shots that Holy did in the 5th. A bad round for Evander.

Maybe, but how many acted alongside Ron Ely?

 

I'm not basing it on that, but thanks for being honest. I am going by memory on my thoughts and scoring of the bout having not watched it in years. Sufficient response?

Tell you what. I'll pull it tonight and rewatch it just out of respect for your time on this debate. I'll be more than happy to "man-up" if I see anything that causes me to sway in my time-beaten opinion and you can bank that I'm more than secure enough to tip my hat in your direction if I see that you may be correct. Fair enough?


"Maybe, but how many acted alongside Ron Ely"?


You've got me there! :good

 

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Boy, you are short. :yep

 

Good Fight! I'd liked the first fight and I think that was perhaps one of the best performances of Holyfield's career. Tyson himself said Evander threw "first class counterpunches" in the post fight interview.

I'm not defending Tyson for biting a chunk of Holyfield's ear off in the rematch, but Evander's Holyheadbutt was in full illegal force that night.

The only justification that I can see for Tyson's actions is the fact that he felt that everyone was against him in the entire audience and Mills Lane had a difficult time keeping control. What does Tyson do, revert back to his survival instincts that he learned as a street kid in the Catskills.

Again, I'm not defending Tyson's actions in the second fight and at the same time I'm not condoning Holyfields actions either.

 

It was a tremendously dramatic fight as everyone thought Holyfield was going to get slaughtered ... Evander actually looks scared coming into the ring ... he did get tagged right away but he dug in and the rest is history ...