With the Demolition of Diaz, Did JMM overtake Barrera and Morales in ATG Rankings?

Good question.

I would say no............t yet.

Before last night, I thought Marquez's resume was still not as good as that of either Barrera or Morales, so he could not be considered their equal.

After last night, although JMM's res is still not as deep, the quality of his best wins and performances has dragged him equal with both.

With more wins and performances like last night, especially if he becomes Mexico's first 4-weight champion or beats Pac convincingly or both, he will pull ahead of the two great men.

 

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I disagree with the posters here.

One of the attributes of greatness is how you come back to conquer adversity and how well you age.

When both Morales and Mab got old and moved up, they weren't nowhere as great.
When both Morales and Mab were behind in a fight, they couldn't adjust and prevail.

Marquez did both in one night.

He also did better than either Morales or Mab against Pac ( Morales beat Pac the first time when Pac was moving up and wasn't adjusted at the weight, and had also to deal with a cut; the 2 ensuing matches left no doubt as to who was the better fighter).

With his last 2 performances, Marquez has surpassed both of them, in my mind at least.

 

YES - easy Q

Morales could not fight at 135.. he lost a close decision against David Diaz and was schooled by Rahim. JMM would have easily beat both.

Barrera was KO'd by Pac after losing every min of the fight. In their rematch he refused to trade and was basically selling beer in aisle 7 of that fight. JMM fought Pac in both his fights and both fights were a draw - 5.7 to 6.3 rounds apeice.

He has really shown he is one of the best Mexican fighters of all time.

 

Don't be surprised if we get MAB MARQUEZ 2 if MAB wins in a convincing fashion against Khan ..Apparently this is what MAB wants ..

 

Ridiclious.

It's the same old story of fans forgetting what happened previously. During Morales and Barrera's reign at the top, Marquez did nothing really of note that could equal what those two did. Even to do this day, despite your desperate ramblings about ability to adjust, his resume still is not as great as either of theirs. That is only way to truly measure the greatness of a fighter.

It's razor thin, but needs a win against a prime opponent on the level of either a Pacquiao (Morales) or a Hamed (Barrera). If Juan does not slow down in the next few years, I think he will easily surpass them though, because he is that good.

 

He maybe the man now but he has a looooooooooooooooooong way to go to eclise anything that EM and MAB did ..He's on the right track though but its still too early !

 

No not yet. He might if he can continue for a while longer picking up victories like last nights on the way.

His career in the last few years has been fantastic and he's rightly been given his dues. However his resume isn't half as good as either MAB or Morales. Outside of Pac it was thin up until he moved up. Technically he's up there with them but in terms of the overall package he's still a bit behind for me.

 

All 3 mexicans have a common denominator, Pac, the best oponnent PFP they each faced EVER, and we know how they feared.

I agree Morales resume is better than his, but Morales got destroyed twice by Pac, and Marquez fought on even terms with him each time.

Moreso, Morales didn't age gracefully at all; as soon as he lost the youth/ size advantages he enjoyed over most of his oponnents, he couldn't win anymore.

Both Morales and Mab in their primes consistenly refused to fight Marquez; when Barrera did, he lost.

 

He's on their level in talent for sure, maybe even more skilled technically than both. His resume isn't QUITE equal but very close.

I think we will always remember JMM, Morales, MAB, and Pac as the big 4, and 4 all time greats at that weight area...maybe 4 of the best fighters to ever grace the lighter weights.

 

Not close when it comes to Barrera.Barrera beat much better comp then Marquez ever did.And by the time of there bout Barrera was shot and still knocked Marquez on his ass.

 

The best fighters Mab beat were Morales, Hamed and McKinney. He destroyed unbeaten Hamed, but he got himself destroyed twice by Jr Jones and Pac.

The best fighters Marquez beat are Barrera and Juan Diaz.
His two close bouts vs Pac more than make up for the Mab victory vs Hamed.
Morales never accepted to fight him.
He never got destroyed, and one can make a case he arguably beat every fighter he ever faced. ( Norwood, John and Pac).

 

i certainly can, i think he beat Norwood, John, and even Pac the 1st time around atleast, and only lost by 1round in the 2nd fight

bottomeline is...Marquez's resume doesn't reflect how great he really is, kinda like B-hop

not to say that Marquez is greater then Barerra, or Morales....cuzz as i said i see them on the same level of fighter

but, Marquez is more then results, thats what i'm trying to get at

 

You need to take in account what Barrera and Morales did at their very best, and what JMM has done at his very best. Marquez is at his peak now. There has never been a more complete and dynamic version than the one that currently exists, and his resume still lacks what Barrera and Morales' has. Theres no use comparing how each of them fared with Manny. This winds me up. Boxing did not begin and end with Manny Pacquiao, the two already had ATG careers before Manny even came into the equation. JMM needs bigger wins, not draws and debatable SD losses.

 

I'd say he is on the same level as them but not overtaking them. If he was to beat the winner of Hatton vs Pacman or Mayweather he would overtake them