JCC would make today's 135 look mediocre?

Bernie's pretty much a ******. He never posts anything of any worth whatsoever.

 

@ 135 JCC was a monster. Once he started moving up, he started losing his strentgh. But he was still something special.

If Jose Luis castillo who was JCC's sparring partner and a poor man's version of JCC could put a few dents on PBF, and keep up with him in the rematch, then JCC would bust little floyd up good.

JCC would beat Marquez, and I mean beat as in beating. He would dispose of Juan Diaz, because JCC was best at infighting. He knew how to slip punches and smother punches whilst breaking your body and chin up.

You put anyone against a fresh, young, strong 135 Chavez and they are coming out with some broken bones, some internal bleeding, or KO.

 

Jesus ****ing christ on a pogo stick, I don't think any of you people have ever seen a JCC fight. JCC DID fight Camacho and he made Camacho look like a girl. He propped him up so he could keep beating him because he wanted to punish him, Camacho isn't anywhere near JCC's level.

The only explanation I can think of is that you are all in your early 20's or below and think there is some huge difference between fighters in the 80's and fighters now. There is no difference. They were just as capable and physical then as they are now, if you disagree then go and actually watch a JCC fight, or an SRL or Hearns or Tyson fight. ****'s sake man... the crap you guys are spewing is just ridiculous. I don't think you even know who JCC IS, let alone know how he fought.

 

Chimp is a *******. Everything he says and thinks is somehow influenced by his blind love of Pacquiao.

Also, *******s don't know much about boxing, all they care for is Pacquiao. So talking to them about boxing is difficult for those two reasons.

 

Are you ****ing stupid? There's no way Camacho pre-Rosario gets beaten the way he did against JCC.

 

You know quite a bit about boxing, but you are focused like a laser on Pernell and pretty much worthless on any topic pertaining to him or anyone who fought him. I mean you're like a Pernell-****. Pernell was a great fighter, but he didn't face a LW JCC, he faced an older JCC two weight classes past his best weight and I do think Pernell won that fight but it wasn't the horrible robbery legend has it made out to be. You could give JCC about half the rounds in that fight if you were really looking for ways to do it, which apparently the judges were. I'll tell you something else: I met Pernell and hung out with him in LV, and he's not the nicest guy in the world. Not that this has anything to do with how great he was in the ring, but if you're looking for an idol to worship, you could do better.

The Whitaker fight took place at 145, a hell of a lot closer to welterweight than to lightweight, so what the **** does that fight have to do with a conversation about ATG lightweights?

 

He's way behind those guys but you have him around 30 in your ATG list. ok then, where do you have EM, MAB, Pac and JMM? Since he's way behind them all, I'm guessing you must have them top 10 or top 15 ATG?

You should probably just stop posting.

 

:huhAnd the point of this post was?

 

Are you serious?

:rofl

Sugar Ray Robinson is a top 3 ATG great. Nobody can touch his status apart from Sam Langford, Harry Greb and Henry Armstrong. Not even Ezzard Charles & Roberto Duran can, let alone Julio ****nig Cesar Chavez.

SRL is arguably a top 15 ATG fighter, Ali arguably top 12, I myself don't rate Ali that higher on a P4P ATG scale but he'd definately be in my top 11. Chavez doesn't stake a claim to be ranked that highly.

For your information, none of Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera or Juan Manuel Marquez would make a top 75 list of mine at present. Pacquiao has a case given his achievement across multiple weight classes, not sure, I haven't given them enough thought to accurately rank them.

 

He was talking about Robinson, Leonard, and Ali. You know, the guys you mentioned? atsch

 

What does 'how nice Pernell Whitaker is' have to do with the discussion? Watch the fight again with the Chavez tinted glasses on, Whitaker beat him comfortably and clearly. Half the rounds my arse. There's no way he took 6 rounds off Sweet Pea, no way.

And you do realise that Pernell Whitaker was probably a better 135 than a 147? You do realise he even fought at lightweight right? And better than that, he was the undisputed champion having humilated guys like Jose Ramirez and Greg Haugen, and impressively beat Azumah Nelson.

 

The way you worded your post it sounded like you were saying that EM, JMM and MAB are way ahead of JCC on the ATG list.

Re Camacho, he was 140 lb champ at the time JCC fought him, and had just had wins over Howard Davis, Tony Baltazar, Boom Boom Mancini, Vinny Paz and Greg Haugen after the Rosario fight, so he was far from damaged goods. He was more cautious after Rosario but he was far from finished, and the fact is he didn't even belong in the ring with JCC, that's how wide the gap was between them. JCC beat him like he was an absolute zero, a nothing. The same way he beat Rosario, and both Camacho and Rosario at that time were excellent fighters.

Just admit it. You didn't even know that JCC fought Camacho.

 

**** you talking about?, he beat Camacho at 140! Know your ****ing history you idiot. You do know that Hector speed was gone a few years before that and the moved in weight further diminished it.

Meldrick ****in Taylor almost ended your hero had he stayed away from JCC in rd 12. Im not even gonna make the Steele excuse in this one although there was certainly something funky going on. Anyone who knows boxing knows that if Meldrick and his corner wasnt so ****ing stupid, it wouldnt even be close!!! Make a poll, do what you want it true!.

And what are you babbling about boxers back then are physically the same as they are now??? Whats your ****ing point! Are you a ******?

Let me put this slowly for you? Boxers today are the same physically as the fighters 20 years ago so whats your point?? That Boxers back then was just better because you said so?

JCC had an incredible record and I give him the Mayweather wins, that was impressive. But he is not top 20 ATG. You go and make a ****in poll and prove how stupid you are.

 

Who gives a ****? JCC wasn't better at WW than he was at LW, and this conversation is about LW. And Pernell didn't humiliate Haugen like JCC did, plus Pernell lost to Ramirez. I'm pretty sure you're convinced that Pernell beats Duran and JCC on the same night, and that's fine. Just don't get your panties in a bunch if people disagree

 

Who mentioned Morales, Barrera and Marquez.

You said Chavez is on pair with SRR/SRL/Clay, I was talking about them.

How could you possibly interpret it as me saying he's behind EM/MAB/JMM when I didn't any mention those guys.

Chavez beats Camacho at 140 or 135, but there's no way he beats a pre-Rosario version the way he did when he actually fought Camacho. I would be pretty close on the cards, possibly going the distance or possibly a late stoppage. Camacho wasn't the same fighter post-Rosario it's as simple as that.