An odd result for a pirme Jack Johnson?

Which newspaper is that?

 

Since Roberts did 5 years research before writing his book I will take his opinion over a newpaper clipping ,which may be unreliable and biased ,one way or the other ,depending on who wrote it. I am at a loss as to why you attach so much importance to this 6 round NO DECISION BOUT. It is FACT that Johnson did not train for the fight ,knowing that O Brien could not dent an egg with his punches ,and he therefore could not lose .What film of Johnson suggests that he would have trouble with speedy out fighters?
Where is your source for Burns suffering from yellow fever when he fought Johnson? Please provide.You may well say that Johnson should have been in shape for his fights he certainly owed the public that ,but the general Public didn t really concern Johnson at all , he was ONLY concerned with Jack Johnson.I take the view that if a man does 5years research on a subject he is an authority on it, whether you call him an Archivist,Historian ,Author , is irrelevant he is immminently more qualified to speak on the subject than a newpaper clipping by some unknown source and writer.

 

atsch Give it up dude. Message boards will not erase this man's brilliance in the ring & courage outside .I hope your posts are self therapeutic because otherwise.... .:-(

:dead

 

Self delusional I feel.

 

Sources PLEASE!For the YELLOW FEVER!
What makes you think that Roberts did not view all the film of Johnson extant?
What leads you to beleive I would be dissapointed with Roberts knowledge of Johnson ?
On the contrary I am impressed with it.
Roberts did not write about Smith putting Johnson through the ropes at the Seal Rock House because he obviously did not attach the same importance to it as you do, it was a spar session ,there WAS NO TKO.
An account of it can be found in Heller's IN THIS CORNER a taped interview with Gunboat Smith, nowhere in the interview does he claim to have tkod or even stunned Johnson ,he said he put him nearly through the ropes, CHECK IT OUT.
Spar sessions mean little, Toxie Hall dropped Marciano in sparring, Greg Page dropped Tyson. A 59 year old Jack O Brien went a round with Joe Louis in 1936 in Pompton Lakes and made things awkward for Joe , , didnt know that did you? M ,do yourself a favour ,change the record, you are becoming a figure of fun now and you can be a solid poster on other subjects.

 

Was there even a real fight for certain. This fight was in Boston, not some backwater, and yet it eluded the staff of THE RING and was never mentioned in THE RING RECORD BOOK. Seems odd to me with a man of Johnson's stature. Boxers were licensed back in 1938, at least in New York State. I would think they would also have been in Massachusetts. Did a 60 year old Johnson get a license? If not, and this was not a sanctioned fight, what was it exactly? A sparring match?

 

Much of this seems strange to me. Okay, Hart is a central fight for Johnson when he was at his best. Certainly relevant to focus on. Also the early failures against Choynski and Griffin. But these very peripheral fights with O'Brien and Battling Johnson? The O'Brien fight seems to have been a glorified exhibition. O'Brien had to ko Johnson to win the title and I don't think Johnson had much fear of that.

One question--If O'Brien did so well, what sort of public clamour arose among white fans for him to get a shot in a "real" fight?

Battling Johnson--This seems to just be a freak fight in which Johnson was hurt and still managed to go all the way and earn a draw at 35 and when out of shape. I don't see this meaning much either.

 

It was a back room fight,not sanctioned at all,it was featured in an old Boxing Illustrated, I will try and find it.

 

Losing to Hart at that time would be no disgrace I think .Alex Greggains the referee was also the promoter,and he stated before the fight he would award points for agression.According to Roberts, Johnson dominated the first 14 rds,"in the last 6 rds he seemed to tire ",and Hart spurred on by cries of Hart! Hart! Hart! ,began to land more often."Greggains explaining his decision said" I allways give the gamest,most agressive man the decision".

 

Do you know any more details about this?

I think O'Brien sparred with a 60 year old Jem Mace in the days of his youth.

 

It is actualy opne of the clipings that you posted when we discused this fight a few months back.

 

Sorry J ,I took the info from an article AJ Leibling wrote in the Ring .
Can you imagine,a guy who died only 6 years before I was born [1948] sparred with JEM MACE !