Check out this latest Hatton interview, good grief

Dunno, why don't you call him up and ask?

 

First of all, for the people questioning others for asking what Hatton 'stands for', they were Hatton's own words. So what does he mean?

Secondly, are people seriously trying to suggest Hatton would go above Marquez on the basis of their H2H records against Pacqiaou? If they are, that's cool, but I always thought p4p lists were compiled with a fighter's whole record taken into consideration. Does somebody seriously want to argue Hatton has the better resume?

 

The vast majority of people would place Hopkins resume above JMM's (JMM sits higher p4p wise and did so before the Diaz win too) so it's not based on entire careers, but weighted on recent history. How recent, recent history is, is up for debate I guess.

 

if hatton beats pac, i dont think he deserves the p4p ranking.

IMO P4P means being the best of the best and being able to go through different weight classes and still be able to win like sugar ray robinson the p4p king.

Hatton cant function at anything other than his weight, not many can beat hatton at his weight, but if the weight was anything higher or lower he would lose IMO just like at the collazo fight which many thought he lost or was given a gift.

therefore some like marquez who was not only best at his weight, he's also moved up in weight and beat the best like hopkins has will always be before hatton in the p4p rankings.

 

So you don't think Cotto, Margo, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Hopkins even etc are "p4p" boxers?

Big Berto, rated by a fair few, struggled with Collanzo and many people thought Collanzo won the fight. Getting a close win against him at 147 while picking up a a title - is not a disgrace, and neither is losing to the best fighter of his generation at the weight.

 

Okay, lets look at it another way. When Roy Jones fought Calzaghe, Joe was considered p4p number 2 or 3 by most people. Where would Jones have ranked had he managed to beat Joe? People's answers to this should be an interesting indication as to how they compile p4p lists.

BTW, whatever timescale you put on Hatton's and JMM's respective records, the Mexican comes up better in my opinion. If someone can pick out a better period for the Hitman I would be genuinely interested to see it.

 

Jones is a good example, as he has a good overall resume but his performance was **** poor leading up to the Calzaghe fight, recent history.

One thing I could say with absolute certainty is that Ring Magazine would have had him 3 or 4. They are the kings of the kneejerk reaction.

 

Hatton would have to beat at least one proper WW to really go up the ladder. Cotto, Mosley, Williams...that kind of thing...at WW, of course.

 

The Ring do have a tendency to be a bit knee jerk I agree (Caballero:huh) but I still respect their opinion as they clearly put a lot of thought into their rankings, even if the approach is sometimes misguided. In their January issue, where they ranked their top 100 fighters, Jones was ranked in the low fourties I believe (could be wrong on this). As the issue had gone to press the Cal/Jones fight hadn't taken place but they mentioned in the notes that, should Roy get the win, he would be elevated up the rankings but didn't specify how high. I reckon top 15 would be fair though given his overall resume and the fighter he would have been beating.

 

hasnt cotto and hopkings moved up in weight??

anyways i think your missing my point, im not saying he shouldnt be in the p4p rankings.... but no1 for beating pac at his own weight i disagree with there's far more deserving people like hopkins and marquez who prove time and time again that they can beat the best at different weights.

i'm a hatton fan he's from my home town and i respect him throughly but p4p is a title im not willing to give him till i see him do more.

 

Tarver is the only guy at or below Hopkins career fighting weight he has beat. The same Tarver Dawson annihilated.

Cottos best win outside of 147 is Pauli at 140 where he was given a decent fight (many use the excuse Cotto was drained) - holding a WBO belt was the height of his achievments there. He's also lost to Margo at 147 who some see as limited. Cotto can't fight above 147, and now cannot fight below - so by your definition he is not p4p.

Anyway, p4p is based on how a fighter performs at their weight level, that is how it is assessed, otherwise 6 weight champ Oscar would be the greatest ever.

IF Hatton beats Pac and JMM I think he would have a claim at being p4p no1. JMM demolished what many see as the top guy at 135, and pac demolished the other Diaz there picking up a belt and also made a joke out of a much bigger man in Oscar at 147. Oscar who previously made a fight of it with Floyd, and beat Forbes easily...

Both Pac and JMM have footings around the weight, though with them coming up from smaller weights it will always leave a question.

 

Not really. It's based on who you beat and how you performed within a recent period.

If you step up and beat a top fighter that is impressive and is judged accordingly.

 

The top 3 P4P boxers in 1985 were Marvin Hagler, Donald Curry and Larry Holmes. None of them had fought, or would ever go onto fight, successfully outside their weight class.

 

"Not really. It's based on who you beat and how you performed within a recent period.

If you step up and beat a top fighter that is impressive and is judged accordingly. "



When a fighter moves up, generally, that is then their weight and get ranked in that division accordingly. JMM's Weight is now LW and he is ranked no1.

 

Hatton has just beat pauli convincingly yet do you think he could move up in weight and beat mosely like cotto did? (btw i still rank hatton above cotto in p4p list at the moment.)

according to your definition, vitali should be in the p4p top 10 also then am i correct because he performs awesome always at his weight and destroyed peter and probably will beat gomez?

ive just posted this on the general forum but ill re say it

if hopkins does fight valuv and losses, would you put valuv in your p4p list as he's beat a p4p top 5?

i think you do kinda agree with me when youve said
"IF Hatton beats Pac and JMM I think he would have a claim at being p4p no1. "

because i did state for him to be p4p no 1 he would have to do more