Barrera - His Highest Possible Ranking?

If you don't understand how that phrase applies to you or how that reply you posted to my opinion is well out of order, there's just no hope for you, you're just a rude little arsehole.

 

more vintage DINAMITA, who I swear is a really sensitive old lady posing as a veteran boxing fan. You're reminiscent of Sweet Pea and Robbi. Two very knowledgeable posters who take themselves just a little too seriously. I swear on my life, I will never ever use an emoticon to start my post again. It clearly upsets you. Let's put your ego to one side for a minute.

Considering Morales had never looked like being stopped at 122, or anytime during his prime, how come Gomez brutally stops him?

 

Watch this Gomez highlight its off his career from Zarate onwards.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=2JAEA5CS

 

I saw no evidence in that 9 minutes of Gomez being a better combination puncher than Barrera.

 

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:roll:Okayy...but I didn't see any of it in that video. I have no problem seeing Gomez being a better combination puncher, or even a "good" one..but I didn't see it. I saw single shots.

 

OK, I say:

To which you say:

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Watch this one: http://www.dailymotion.com/search/wilfredo%2Bgomez/video/x7z40e_wilfredo-bazooka-gomez_sport

 

Gomez was a beautiful technician.

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Don't you see what weak and illogical reasoning this is?

I suppose we can't predict that Roy Jones would've beaten Joe Calzaghe at 168 because Calzaghe never lost there. I suppose we can't predict Aaron Pryor would've stopped Ricky Hatton at 140 because Ricky has never been stopped there. I suppose we can't say Pernell Whitaker would've beaten Julio Cesar Chavez at his 1987 peak because no-one beat him till the 90s, and on and on and on....

Weak reasoning at its best/worst Selfkill.


Erik Morales never fought Wilfredo Gomez, so Morales's past fights prove nothing.

Watch how Morales is continually caught cleanly by Barrera in their 1st fight. Watch how Morales is hurt repeatedly. Now think if that was Gomez in there with him. You seem intent on refusing to acknowledge the mere possibility of a Gomez stoppage, and I think that shows the characteristic bias/flaws in your knowledge.

 

For asking why you thought Morales gets brutally stopped? Absolutely not. I've gave you the opportunity to present your case.

I feel Morales is more durable than both Roy Jones Jr and Ricky Hatton, has shown shown enough will and determination in abundance to put him in the same vein as a Chavez, who was as close to unknockoutable as they come.

Completely unnecessary. One of a few reasons why you're posts leave a bad taste in my mouth.

There would be need for these discussions if anything could be proven. Well observed.

There is no refusal to acknowledge the possibility of a Gomez knockout at all. If that was the case, I wouldn't have asked any questions which implies that I am open for a differing opinion to my own. You thought because I included a emoticon I was being dismissive, and I was, as you are all of the time, but at least I admit it. That said, only a poster such as yourself would react as you have. It's laughable - which would explain why I have taken everything you have said with a pinch of a salt at best.

Good work on your response quoting definitions. More vintage pretentiousness from DINAMITA. You could and should have left it at this response, whic brings up fair points.

That said, I wouldn't favour Wilfredo Gomez, who was not as great offensively as Barrera at 122, to "brutally" stop prime Morales. Erik took a lot of hard shots against Barrera and was buzzed on a few occasions, but to quote your fine self, "Weak reasoning at its best/worst DINAMITA". Ultimately, Morales did not get knocked out, didn't come close ot it, and the knockdown was not even legitimate. The only time Morales was stopped or came close to it was way above 122, and way past his best. So I give the benefit of the doubt to Morales.

 

Now you say:

But a page ago you said:

Yawn. The same old ****. Arrogance followed by denial. Self-contradiction like only Selfkill can do. I'm bored with this tonight. Good night amigos.

 

And now giving you the chance to state your case, as I've always done, which instead of doing, you would rather do the dramatic exit thing. You never actually leave when you do it though. A sense of achievement? Pretentious DINAMITA, congratulations. :good

Nostalgia brings on these comments of Gomez being so much superior to the likes of Barrera and Morales in every era. None of the videos presented into this discussions has shown me of superior combination punching than the likes of Barrera. There is no arguement from me that he would stop Marco, but I thought Morales would be harder style wise for Gomez, and has more punch resistance than Marco.

 

Watch this vid and you'll see what an amazing puncher Gomez was also great footwork and defence.

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/wilfredo%252Bgomez/video/x7z40e_wilfredo-bazooka-gomez_sport

 

There is no denial on my part that Gomez was a great puncher. He had a hell of a lot of power, obviously, and he seems to catch a lot of shots. That said, I'll have to say it again, I've not seen any video evidence to suggest he was even on Marco's level when it came to putting punchers together in 3's and 4's. I don't think I saw a 4 punch combination in that last video, something Barrera would do every time on the counter. I could get footage of Marco throwing 7-8 punch combination's. The only reason I bought it up was to illustrate that Gomez is higher P4P, he is higher in the 122lb all time rankings, he hit a lot harder than Marco, but he does not have him beat in every department like you suggested earlier.