Examples of fighters who fought "SKILLED" counterpunchers with a size advantage.

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Lamotta vs Ray Robinson: Won 1 out of 5 fights, may have been robbed in one. Lamotta managed to beat Ray with unrellenting pressure and a strong body attack.

    Floyd Mayweather Sr. vs Ray Leonard: Mayweather Sr. chose to counterpunch with the bigger counterpuncher and paid the price for it as Leonard gave Mayweather a severe beating.

    Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns: Ray Leonard chose to be the aggressor in this fight, occasionaly switching back to counterpunching as he rested, and won the fight because of it, knocking Hearns out in the 14th round due to an aggressive onslaught. If Ray chose to counterpunch the entire fight, Hearns who was ahead would have likely won the fight, but probably by KO. Truly a defining fight for Leonard.

    Roberto Duran vs Ray Leonard: An argument can be made that Leonard was the same size, but Duran managed to beat him with unrelenting pressure and a strong body attack.

    Roberto Duran vs Tommy Hearns: Roberto Duran fought tenatively, showed little head movement, and was devestatingly knocked out.

    Shane Mosley vs Vernor Forrest I and II: Shane Mosley, a 7/1 favorite, sweet as sugar and considered a master boxer at the time, chose to counterpunch, relying on his natural athleticism, timing, and better overall pfp qualities, but it wasn't enough to overcome Forrest, a SKILLED natural counterpunchers, size and reach advantage as Forrest virtually won almost every round in both fights. In the second, Shane seemingly learned nothing from the first and tried to again fight in a counterpunching style.

    Mayorga vs Forrest: Mayorga used unrellenting pressure, a seemingly indestructable chin, and power to beat Forrest in both fights.

    Can anyone think of any other fights where a fighter fought a SKILLED counterpuncher with a size advantage?

    What about Ray Robinson?

    Where is Floyd Mayweather on this list? Oh.......wait, he's indestructable and wins every fight without fighting his opponent. He could surely beat Forrest by counterpunching. Clearly, evidence supports this theory.
     
  2. PH|LLA

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    Castillo vs Mayweather

    I'm not sure i understand your question
     
  3. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Marquez v Diaz just this past week
    Toney v Jirov
    Calderon v Cazares
    Byrd v V Klitschko
    arguably Hopkins v Tarver

    All of those the smaller counterpuncher won
     
  4. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Castillo isn't a SKILLED counterpuncher. He's an aggressive, volume punching, body puncher.

    If Mayweather had a size advantage, then this would qualify, as Castillo being the fighter who fought against a SKILLED countepuncher with a size advantage, (MAYWEATHER).
     
  5. PH|LLA

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    So why did you put Lamotta vs Robinson

    are you saying SRR had a size advantage over Lamotta?
     
  6. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    What the hell are you asking? Based on your own examples, all I could interpret your question being is what happens when a smaller counterpunching fighter faces a larger skilled fighter.
     
  7. stevebhoy87

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    Your post makes **** all sense.

    La motta was not a counter puncher, neither was mayorga, neither was duran, shane mosely was never a master boxer, just because you have fast hands does not automatically make you a great boxer. Shane was a warrior that liked to fight at mid range and looked to take the lead in his fights a lot of the time.
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    It is true that Diaz is larger, but he's not a counterpuncher.

    Cazares is a counterpuncher?

    Klitschko perhaps.

    Hopkins vs Tarver.......I'll give you that one.

    Don't know much about Jirov.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    Forrest isn't exactly a natural counterpuncher he is more of an outside boxer.
     
  10. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    RAY ROBINSON was the countpuncher.

    FORREST was the counterpuncher.

    HEARNS was the counterpuncher.

    FORREST was the counterpuncher.

    Let's use our heads for a moment.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Who is the smaller man in Robinson/LaMotta?
     
  12. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Yes I was.

    I didn't think that one through.
     
  13. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Again, my mistake. I just wanted Robinson to be part of the discussion because I wonder if he ever went against a skilled counterpuncher with size and managed to win.
     
  14. Brickhaus

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    RAY ROBINSON was SMALLER than Jake Lamotta :good

    And if Mayweather and Forrest fought, what on God's green earth would make you think that Forrest would be the counterpuncher in that fight? Plus, as you mentioned in your own damn post, MOSLEY was the counterpuncher in their encounters.

    The guys who I listed were all smaller fighters than their skilled opponents who won by counterpunching their larger opponents.
     
  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Anyway, yes, a larger counterpuncher has a significant advantage. It's difficult to counter somebody who is longer without being countered in return. More often than not the smaller man will have to twist, he will have to adapt his style.

    But its not always the case. Handspeed/footwork is going to make a difference and that can be the key for the smaller man.