Mike Tyson 1987 vs. George Foreman 1973

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  1. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Made to order for Foreman if he's looking to get beat! A fighter as fast and quick as Tyson with the awesome defense and mega-power in either hand is hardly made to order for a slower, lumbering fighter like Foreman.
     
  2. AnthonyJ74

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    Tyson weighed just as much as Foreman did at prime weight. Hardly a physical mismatch. Foreman was taller; Tyson was thicker.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    :good you've swayed me, I've now made my decision, Foreman via K.O good post!
     
  4. mcvey

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    Big George ,EARLY!
     
  5. MAG1965

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    I am not sure. I see Foreman beating up Tyson when Tyson walked in and when Mike leaned in George does his push and punch. Worked well with Frazier and Cooper and would work well with Tyson. I think he would really knockout Tyson badly. And it would not be because he was better than Tyson, I think Tyson all time is greater than George, but stylewise George's power would work well vs. a Tyson style. Why do you think George came back in 1987? Some might say money, but he knew he could beat the Tyson style. Problem is someone in Tyson's camp knew the same thing and wouldn't fight George.
     
  6. abraq

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    I know everyone thinks "Frazier" in this match-up. But Tyson was not exactly like Frazier. As noted by many here, he was quicker (but carefully watch Frazier in his prime, I am sure that his speed will surprise you), was more elusive, had more strength and had much more power. What he did not have was Frazier's determination, inside fighting skills and stamina.

    But the point is, was he sufficiently different from Frazier to present an entirely different script to 'Big George'? I don't think so. He would still have to get inside and come close to Foreman to do his stuff. Foreman's swinging punches and huge uppercuts would be effective against any short, crouching fighter looking to get in.

    This is not to say that Tyson wouldn't have a chance to get in and do serious damage to Foreman. But again I would like to think of Foreman's chin and ability to get up from the canvas and fight back.

    It would not be as cut and dried as a Frazier fight for Foreman. Actually, any one can win. It is only just that I think the chances of a Foreman win is more of a probability than a win for Mike.
     
  7. sauhund II

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    Complete BS.

    Foreman was never in the position to force or gather enough momentum for a Tyson fight. Period. His comeback was pure emotion with very little substance and everything was aimed at making the most dough possible. Make no mistake, $ and only $ was Georges main motivation for his entire comeback, win or loose, he did not care as long , lol, he made the dough.

    Some more food for thought and I have posted this over and over before...

    Tyson "afraid" of George but fighting Razor Ruddock with less than a month of training ? LMAO. During his entire comeback he fought one guy worth a lick, Holyfield and by his own admission the reasoning to fight him was that he did not believe he was a true heavyweigth.........anyway he took a immense beating plus imagine if Holy could rip 10-20 shot combinations on him what a Tyson with his much greater power would have done to Foreman.

    For reference, they have two opponents in common, Stewart and Saverese, while George struggled with both of them and went the distance looking like hit by a mack truck a declining/washed up Tyson took care of those two clowns IN LESS THAN ONE ROUND COMBINED.

    Prime vs prime,(not Douglas or Young ) speed kills and Tyson was never not even totally shot like in the Lewis fight hit by countless lead right hands like Foreman ( and was even buckled by some of those single shots mainly because of the speed and he could not brace himself for it) was against Ali. That is the insult to any pro to get hit like that..................George is wide open, uses his chin as a defense,does not clinch, has a powerful but very slow jab and punches even wider and comes right at you asking for punishment with no angles or true fightplan, he is going to be in for a long nite against Mike, guaranteed and Tyson hits a lot harder/faster than Lyle, Ali or Holyfield. Everbody talks about his uppercut but what about Tyson uppercut or body/uppercut combo ? = pain.

    BTW, why do you think Ali called him the Mummy ? LOL, because he fancied Pryamids ? No Einstein, slowwwwwwwwww as a Mummy........

    I don't have a problem anyone picking Foreman in this Fantasy match up, everybody is entitled to their opinion or gut feelings but some of the reasoning in this thread WHY Foreman would win is simply wishful thinking.
     
  8. MAG1965

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    Stylewise Foreman would have been tough for Tyson, even the old Foreman. He was 256 pounds to Tyson's 218 or so. Foreman was 6-3 and Tyson 5-10. Foreman would be getting full leverage on his punches with Mike. So if the fight goes 2 rounds Mike is getting hit with big punches by George. It is the style, and I doubt Mike could have stopped George in 2 rounds. Maybe later, but not in 2 rounds. I think George could have stopped Mike early enough just on the style. He was strong and the style makes George's punches devastating and full force. I am not saying Mike was scared, but that fight could have happened had Mike not lost to Douglas. At least with Douglas we know it was because Mike was diminished. Had he fought George I think he would have gone out quicker than Douglas. One hard uppercut from George and Mike is wobbling all over. George did wipe out guys who normally were tough. Mike was the higher ATG rating, but George was a bad style for him. George was stronger than Mike because he was so much bigger.
     
  9. leverage

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    When a fighter is going up against an opponent who is 4 inches taller, has a reach advantage of 8 inches and was physically as strong as foreman, then it is a physical mismatch. Combine this with the fact that styles make fights and it spells a foreman ko.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Golota and Tucker huge hitters?
    I dont think Foreman was petrified by either Frazier or Norton ,he was being gracious ,imo.Norton ,on the other hand looked petrified against him.

    Tyson would come to George, George would push him back to his optimum punching range ala Frazier ,and start to unload ,Foreman had a mighty uppercut and either this ora booming hook catches Tyson and up ends him ,after that its all one way traffic Tyson was a great "on top fighter".
    After a couple of knockdowns Tyson stays down.
     
  11. Primadonna Kool

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    Foreman is there to get hit, big mistake against Mike Tyson. It would be a short fight and 3 rounds of hell, i will go with Mike Tyson vire TKO.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    Tucker and Golata may not have been huge hitters in the same sense that Foreman was, but they were definately bigger than average heavyweights who could certainly crack.

    Foreman has said numerous times that he was intimidated before the Frazier and Norton fight. While he may have been gracious, we have no idea what his true feelings on the matter were. Only what he told us.

    My point was that stylistically Foreman was a bad match for Tyson.....
     
  13. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    George was broke and had no other choice but to make a comeback to make the millions he craved. When he first came back, he said his comeback was based on financing his church and youth center; George said that he personally still had enough money and wasn't broke. It wasn't until many years later, after he made gazillions of dollars, that he admitted that he was "broke as a goat" when he came back in 1987 and had no money....Thus, his comeback was predicated on his being broke, not on the fact that Tyson was champion.

    The "styles make fights" argument can be tilted in Tyson's favor just as easily in this matchup. Foreman wasn't a Larry Holmes or Buster Douglas type of fighter, a fighter that used lateral movement, crisp combinations, and solid boxing skills to beat fighters. He was a powerhouse who relied on strength and punching power to beat guys; he wasn't all that mobile, quick, or hard to hit. This type of fighter would play into Tyson's hands. Big, strong guys who were not overly elusive or fast of hand or foot would have been made to order for Tyson.
     
  14. AnthonyJ74

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    LOL...I couldn't have said it better myself.....Excellent!
     
  15. AnthonyJ74

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    Foreman would not have been able to hit Tyson like Douglas did. Douglas was much quicker and threw more accurate punches and combinations. And I'm not convinced that Foreman hit harder than Tyson, punch for punch. Either way, Tyson would be able to hit Foreman faster and more often than Foreman would do to him. And if George swings and misses one of his clubs, the counter punches from Tyson would be quick and brutal. Heck, I'm not sure Foreman hit harder than Razor Ruddock, who despite his many shortcomings could definitely crack. One punch at a time from Foreman ain't gonna work against Tyson, and I can't see him getting more than one punch at a time off on Tyson.