I agree with Teddy Atlas ...

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    These amateur guys with over 200 fights under their belts and who were world class on the amateur level shouldn't be fighting these entry level opponents.

    It doesn't do anything to help them work on their skills on the pro level, if anything it holds them back from becoming better fighter.

    I take a look at what Gamboa's doing ... in only a short span of time, he's putting himself in position to fight for a world title in under 20 fights ... and in only 2 yrs of competing as a pro.

    If you were in the olympics or fought in a world championship tourament, medaled or placed ... you should be ushered along at a faster pace.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Bslice

    Bslice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the time table is different for each individual
     
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    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I agree.

    Top amateur's should have about five fight's against tough experienced journeymen who can't crack an egg, so they can learn the pro game and get some rounds in, then they should start stepping it up.

    These guy's should be doing what the likes of David Haye did.
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

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    How B-Slice?

    If guys like DLH, Mayweather, Gamboa and Reid can do it ... why can't a guy like Ward do it ...

    What did that fight tonight do for Andrade besides give him a win ... that was a waste of time and didn't push him to the limit.

    Unless you're a HW, there shouldn't be a reason for you to be fighting guys who aren't on your level in any aspect of the game.
     
  5. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    True, but far too many guy'd are wasting their time fighting 15 total can's they shoudl'nt be fighting.
     
  6. nezy37

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    Becuase at the end of the day having 20-25 wins before you get a shot almost seems manditory.

    It's just the way the business is, it is alot easier to promote a guy that is 25-0 getting a title shot than a guy that is 15-0 or so.

    Thats just a guss but why else would they keep putting a guy in with cans.
     
  7. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    And this is the problem.

    Boxing need's to look at MMA.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Its not about how many fights you have ... if you have over 200 fights in your amateur career then you should be working your way up to 12 rounders ... and perfecting your craft ... fighting guys that aren't on your level in any aspect of the game, just creates bad habits on a fighter.

    You don't notice what a prospect needs to work on when he's blowing guys out the frame ... and he's not getting rounds ... he's not showing why he's one of the best amateurs in the world.
     
  9. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't really argue there, I don't mind a guy building a record but don't shove it down my throught until he fights someone that will test him at least a little bit.

    What boxing really needs to learn from MMA is when you do a PPV have at least two big fights.
     
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    Why do you need 20-25 fights ... thats a form of Promotional protections ... these guys are accomplished ... I can see if they possibly had a late start on the job ... didn't have as much amateur success or experience ... but these guys have did everything there was to do in the amateurs.

    They know what they need to do as far as work ethic, fundamentals, and training ...
     
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    Wouldn't that kind of thing show in sparing?

    You know they are in tougher in the gym than they are fighting a can.
     
  12. jaycuban

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    how did Barthelemy do tonight ? was at the club and could not watch the fight.
     
  13. dbouziane

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    i agree...i think a long amateur background would justify someone getting pushed a long a little faster. its amazing how poor some "pros" are. its almost is a bad thing for a younger fighter to go from fighting the top amateurs to bottom shelf pro competition. young fighters have shorter attention spans and tend to regress fundamentally if given the chance and will sometimes just rely on natural athleticism instead of boxing skill...
     
  14. fitzgeraldz

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    Why isn't Andrade fighting some guy like Lara ... they both have simular backgrounds ...

    lets see where both of these guys at?

    There's nothing wrong with that ...

    I started a thread before about pairing undefeated fighters against each other ... there needs to be more, especially if they are close to the same level.
     
  15. nezy37

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    exactly, it is the business side of it. Look I really don't know but it seems to make sense. I'm guessing enough people look at a padded record before the fight and deem it worth watching.


    That and you know how a loss goes over here, lose once and you are an exposed hype job...bad for business.