I agree with Teddy Atlas ...

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  1. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Becuase there is probably more money in it down the road.
     
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  2. fitzgeraldz

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    and pick up bad habits ... things they might have gotten away with during their amateur career ... and early on in their pro career ... that they can't get away with against a seasoned pro.
     
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  3. fitzgeraldz

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    When you're on the circuit you have to pay your dues ... with the amateur background the money will come ... thats not an issue ... you're coming in the game with a name already.

    why not just pay these guys 20k a peice to get it on in an 8 round fight ... that would be better than them fighting some damn bums ...

    Why wait till they fight a stepping stone to see what they are made of?
     
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  4. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wish it where so, but It's gotta be the money, why else?
     
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  5. danlop15

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    Not too fast, amateurs is a different game from the big league. You need to build yourself and find out how good you are first, correct your mistakes and learn from experience before you fight decent competition until you are not green anymore.
     
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  6. fitzgeraldz

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    Blowing out guys in :45 secs isn't a measuring stick on where you are as a pro - especially if the guy you beat is never heard from again.

    This guys is seasoned ... he has plenty of rounds in ... rather it be from fights or in training ... he knows how to score effectively ... he knows the fundamentals ... he knows what he has to do to become successful. Its about cutting out those bad habits, and like I said, you can't find those out against someone who isn't competetive.
     
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  7. Rhino718

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    Promoters who pay the big signing bonuses should put these guys in with tougher competition earilier. I quess that they are trying go protect their investments.
     
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  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Promotion protection ...

    it didn't take Cotto that long to get exposed and once he did ... he was in there with boarder line competition until he met Margarito ... and even Margarito was supposed to play the role of the opponent.
     
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  9. fitzgeraldz

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    Whats the point of protecting an investment? ... this isn't the sport for protection, this is a full contact sport.

    I'm not saying throw them in with a champion or with a championship contender their first time out, but hey put them in with some guys who are close to being on the level of those guys, rather they've been a pro for 3 yrs or they have 20 fights under there belt already ... its a matter of matching these guys up with fighters who can compete.

    And they shouldn't be opening their careers with 4 rounders ... thats bull****
     
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  10. nezy37

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    So Mosely is border line comp?
     
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  11. fitzgeraldz

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    No but Mosley was put to the back burner and was brought in as the role of the opponent, a threat, but a guy who's a shadow of his former self. He was supposed to push Cotto but not win. A figher that Cotto shouldve fought in his welterweight debut.

    With this guy being an olympian ... he shouldve fought Hatton for the lineal title ... he shouldve fought Mayweather ... he shouldve fought Castillo ... at light welterweight.
     
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  12. nezy37

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    Right, and none of those guys would put their records on the line for a no name no money fight.
     
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  13. onepunch.net

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    The main reason is because 99% of fight fans want to throw a guy on the scrap heap the second he loses a fight. So these fighters are not just risking their "0", they are quite possibly risking their whole career. Calling Cotto "exposed" because he lost to Margo is exactly what I am talking about. It's ignorant. Ray Robinson had 19 losses. Today a guy with 19 losses is thought of only as a bum. So until the fans accept that even good fighters lose sometimes, none of these cats really want to fight anyone with a pulse until they have made a pile of money. With Gamboa's flaws, theres no way they put him in with anyone but cupcakes anytime soon, because the instant he loses, he was "exposed", "overrated", "garbage", or one of a hundred other adjectives.


    Edit: The above policy never applies though to their favorite fighter. Pac can have 3 losses for Pac fans, JMM can have 4 losses for JMM fans, Margo can have 4 losses for Margo fans, etc., etc, but that only applies to their favorite fighter. Anyone else with losses is a bum. lol
     
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  14. Hank

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    They need to change style, pace self for longer bouts. They can't get away with that amateur style of playing tag either. I'm talking about when in Olympics they get one or two point lead, and run. Then if oppenent catches up an dpasses to a point lead, he runs. Main benifet of 10 -15 pro bouts is getting used to going ten rounds.
     
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  15. Boxing Fanatic

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    Kind of funny. Bernard said the same thing.
     
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