What is it Marquez does to Pac?

Well broken done Philla.

 

Nice post Philla.

Finito, no one likes a dick, but people will listen to a teacher.

 

Great post and I agree word for word. I have always complimented Pac for overcoming that styles disadvantage against JMM, however it must be said that JMM holds his own disadvantage against Pac too. The sole reason JMM hasn't won a fight against Pac yet is because although his chin is solid, its not quite as good as his other 2 mexican rivals and the worst thing for that sort of chin is enough power to dent it. If JMM had Morales chin he would beat Pac 9/10.

Also notice how JMM throws his right hand, he leans forward right into it so he gets so much more reach from it. Whereas guys like MAB would throw it and Pac with his quick footwork will just jump out of range, with JMM, Pac can jump back out of range but that right hand still manages to push through.

 

Also let me add that JMM can stop Pac's flurry even for a while, While Barrera would rather trade with Pac and put himself on a more disadvantage point.

Marquez can stop Pac's attacks by countering in a much efficient way to hurt Pac and back him off from his offense to put him on a defense. But all in said, Pac's flurry has its own advantage... The speed and accumulations. It always looks 3(Pac's punches against 1 counter punch of Marquez).

If Marquez could equal the amount of counter punch then he can beat Pac's accumulations. If he can counter punch much much faster then he can beat Pac's speed. If he has both then no problem he can win. But Pac's so called "primitive skills" is so undeniably extraordinary that's why like all said, He overcome his disadvantages.

 

Notice that when some people read a long descriptive post they say "good post".

Well, I only agree with half your post, so even you haven't broken it down right yet.

 

So what don't you agree with? You're laughing at yourself here.

 

:rofl So true...

 

Barrera is not there to be hit exactly, he is a boxer puncher. He uses his jab to set up his left hook. Against a conventional fighter lunging at Barrera, he immediately shoots the jab or moves side to side or uses head movement and stays in close range for the combination. He is a boxer-puncher, not a brawler.

WTF????atsch
Barrera shot????

holy **** man, I mean, just wow. MAB was not even close to shot, sure not prime either, but not shot. If that were the case, then MAB vs PAC II was nonsense, pointless, and a big waste of time for both fighters and nobody should have given Barrera a chance.

Now I call this part BS.
Barrera has a great left hook and jab because he is left handed. In all of his fights this has been his main punch, so he is not as dominant with his right.
Yes, the left hook is often times ineffective against good southpaws but the jab hell no. The jab is the number one tool used by Morales and Marquez to stet up their straight right.

The two punches that can beat a southpaw like Pacquiao is the jab to stop the advance and set up the follow up punches and the straight right right down the pipe in between the southpaw's gloves. Its the same case for the southpaw fighter, the right jab and straight left are his main weapons against a conventional fighter.

Now in the part where you state that Marquez's defense is not that great against the left hook and the Diaz fight proved it you failed to mention that Marquez adjusted to it after the first 2 rounds. His put his right hand away from his chin in front of him for the immediate block of the left hook. Diaz's jab then slowly became ineffective with head movement. You also claim that Marquez can be out jabbed, so that means that someone like Barrera and Pacquiao should have been able to do that, but we all know that did not happen. :yep

Any good boxer is heavily dependent on the jab. A counter-puncher like Marquez specially needs that jab to be good.

Now the Barrera vs Marquez fight was a fantastic display of boxing skill. I suggest rewatching it for a close depiction of what would have happened if both were at 126 lbs at their best.

Styles do make fights, but I had to take a laugh at the rest of your sentences.

 

JMM times Pac's punches and body rhythm better than everyone else to date.

 

Compared to JMM he is there to be hit. JMM will always keep out of range so he can set up his best counter punches, MAB often allows his opponents to get inside or in range cos that's where he can set up his money punch, left hook. On the second fight he did try to stay out of range and had a bit more success but ultimately, he wasnt as fast, as precise and punches werent as crisp/straight as JMM to offset Pac.

MAB was not shot, just past prime but he was no more past his prime in the 2nd Pac fight. Pac made the fight look a lot easier than JMM did, infact many scored JMM-MAB for MAB.

I agree the jab is effective and MAB does have a great jab. However its the type of jab he throws, he stretches his jab out for better reach and leaves himself open, Pac meanwhile sneaks in his right and left in between and his able to do so because of his speed.

It was a good post and we werent saying it so simply because it was descriptive. Just because you disagreed doesnt mean it wasnt a good post. Likewise, I disagree with about half of what you just said but I still think its a good post that brings up some very valid points.

 

Yes, Barrera was not as sharp as Marquez in his Pacquiao rematch. But mostly because of his lack of a dominant right hand.

And Barrera fought gallantly for the first six rounds. He was using his version of the Morales/Marquez strategy and I thought he won 3 of the first 6 rounds. Then Barrera simply quit and decided to be a survivor for the rest of the fight. He was afraid of getting knocked out and lacked the heart to put it all in the ring.

Those who scored the JMM-MAB fight for MAB constitute maybe about 1% of reasonable boxing fans. There were no major boxing sites, magazines, or reporters that didn't score that fight for Marquez.

So it is the general concensus that Marquez won a clear decision over Barrera.

I do agree that Pacquiao's speed is the upsetting factor.

If I don't agree with his post then I will not call it a good post but not just because it doesn't align with my opinion, but also because Philla made erroneous statements about Marquez and Barrera to try to prove his points.

 

Firstly MAB did not win a single round from Pac...you have to be pretty generous to give him rounds. Pac was the aggressor and landing more.

Many scored JMM-MAB for MAB, infact there was some slight "controversy" when the results were announced here. Heck I believe the HBO team or Lederman had it for MAB...thats a pretty "major" reporters POV!

Also this is bearing in mind the huge ref error in the 7th round when MAB KD JMM yet he didnt win that round.

 

Marquez has been able to time Pac better than anyone else. Plus the speed disadvantage is not as great as with other boxers.

 

Excuse me, but my scorecard read 117-110 and the judge's scorecards were 118-109, 118-109, and 115-112 (Bad one). So yes, Barrera did take at least one round and there are plenty of people that will agree with me. :deal

HBO? Come on man!
The HBO crew were dick riding Barrera all night and many will agree that they are not a good source to use as reference, like I said, that 1%. And even if round 7 had gone to Barrera he would still have lost the fight in 'almost' everyone else's cards. :yep

 

NAcho BEristain nuff said..