Case in point, last nights HBO triple-header. After a night of medicore at best action resulting in the entire card finishing in less than 20-minutes, Max "bug-eye" Kellerman took the mic and delivered a cancer-ridden speech in his own "unique" style. If I wasnt cringing so much at Kellerman's hideous presentation skills I would have been worried. Kellerman banged on basically trying to defend the nights action and the state of boxing itself, adding that the fighters in question were prospects and had a lot to learn. I noticed sinister undertones in what Kellerman was saying, and these feelings were nothing new. In his own weird way, he was basically confirming what a lot of us have been feeling for quite some time. Boxing is ill. The UFC What really did it for me was, as I watching watching the HBO and Azteca cards on tiny low-resolution illegal streams which kept on being locked down by the HBO bizzies, I was happily watching the UFC 96 Rampage vs Jardine card for FREE on Setanta using my 32" Samsung tv. Now, I've only really started watching UFC since the turn of the year. For me, the quality of the stand-up fighting makes it nearly unbearable to watch for the most part and watching 2 grown men in speedos roll around the floor grunting isnt my idea of a good scrap. However, last nights card was excellent. There are no mismatches in UFC, there isnt a million different weight classes, there's only a single belt in each divison and every UFC card is stacked and I mean STACKED. Take Decembers UFC92 Triple-header which had Griffin vs Evans, Nog vs Mir and Rampage vs Silva - thats about 6months worth of boxing main-events in one night aswell as an undercard that would put most HBO BAD main events to shame. The UFC is currently doing everything that boxing should be. Where are boxing's superstars ? I asked my non-sport girlfriend this morning if she knew who Oscar de la Hoya was. All I got was a blank stare back. Floyd Mayweather ?...nothing. Ok I thought, as we live in the UK I might have better luck....Joe Calzaghe ? Nope. She knew that Ricky Hatton was a boxer, but didnt know what he looked like. Ok I said, who do you know ? She then proceeded to name Frank Bruno, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Muhammed Ali and Chris Eubank. "Oh and the grill man" she said. Manny Pacquiao... ? Another stare. To put it bluntly, boxing is falling away as a mainstream support. The casual non-sports fan no longer has any idea about who's who in boxing. The casual sports fan might be able to name you the top guys, and might watch a fight or 2 a year. Casual boxing fans will mostly likely be able to tell you the jist about the latest news. And then you have hardcore boxing fans like me that stay away untill 5am so I can stay up and watch shocking HBO no-namer cards like last nights. How many people can you say would do that ? The Beginning of the End To add to the woes, there doesnt look like theres anyone who's going to change that either. Now I know Im going to get a lot of stick for saying that but its only what I feel. People will say well what about Cotto/Dawson/Williams/Haye ETC ? What about prospects like Ortiz/Jacobs/Gamboa/Khan ETC ? Quite frankly, im not excited about anyone. It says a lot that the only elite fighters (Pacquiao, Marquez, Hopkins) are 30 years old and over, the recently retired Mayweather and Calzaghe both over 30, and Shane Mosley who is now many people's P4P #5 aint no spring chicken either. Who is going to replace this generation ? Boxing is being punished by the success of other sports. In other sports you can earn more money whilst not getting bashed in the head, sounds like a pretty good deal to me. The net of younger fighters comming through is dwindling and in doing so reduces our chances of getting the next "big thing". Promoters My most recent pet-peev is the disgrace of a "PPV" set up by Top Rank, the Cotto-Pavlik double header. At a cost of $54.99 in this financial climate, you would have expected the most stacked card of the year. Instead we got what has become all too familier lately. A dismal undercard followed by two JOKE mismatch main events. Im glad I got it for free on Setanta. Now a card that had say for arguements sake....Mosley vs Cotto as the headline event. Stick Williams vs Winky in as the main support, then have say last nights Kirkland vs Julio on the card aswell as Ortiz vs A human being. I'd gladly play PPV prices for a card such as this instead we get club-level fights or 1-sided beatdowns. Previously to that, the Pacquiao - De la Hoya farce was nearly as annoying. I think I actually laughed out loud when it was announced as "The Dream Match" and looked on in dismay as Oscar put on what was quite possibly the worst performance of any top fighter since I've been watching boxing. If this was the biggest fight that boxing could produce...then **** me boxings already dead. My non-boxing fan buddies werent impressed, in fact I think its turned them away. Why would anyone want to watch fights like that again ? The biggest boxing spectacle of the year probably done MORE DAMAGE to the sports image than good. Amazing ! atsch Marquez vs Diaz Fight of the year no question. It had everything and I was nearly in tears after it. It reminded me why boxing was my favourite sport and why I loved the sport so much. The most hardened non-boxing fan could watch this and only be enthralled. Had this fight been given the attention, funding, resources and marketing that Oscar/Hatton/Mayweather "fights" are given then boxing wouldnt be in such a sorry state. Whilst this fight was a major win for boxing fans, it was only exactly that. A win for boxing fans. Not a win for boxing. This fight wouldnt have generated any new boxing fans as it was only boxing fans who watched it in the first place and more worryingly only boxing fans who knew about it in the first place. In Conclusion Boxing's illness can much be compared to the situation in Africa where diseases cured over 20 years ago like TB are running rampant because pharmaceutical companies CAN BUT WONT send vaccines over because of cost. The TV companies, promoters and the fighters themselves can all pitch in and help save boxing. At the end of the day its all down to money and no one wants to lose out. Why would a fighter want to take less money to fight a harder oppoent ? Why would a promoter want his fighter to take less money to fight a more competative opponent knowing he could lose it all ? Why would HBO or Showtime want to take less money putting on a more attractive fight card ? Why would HBO or Showtime want to spend more money into advertising and marketing their fighters knowing that in the short-term its not going to pay off ? The saviour of boxing might indeed come, but its going to take a long-term solution rather than be a straight quick fix. If everyone complied together than we could get a bigger audience watching boxing and in turn increase the number of people involved in boxing. Sadly, I dont think this will happen. Boxing will always have a place in my heart though. RIP BOXING (and not a single mention of chins or glass jaws anywhere ) .
people have been saying that boxing is dying since the 80´s. the sport doesnt have the importance it had in the past but it will never die.
If your not excited, then **** off and watch UFC. I wouldn't mind seeing more cards like Jones-Sheika where the have a mix, but if they're going to remain directly in competition, boxing all the ****ing way. I'm exciting as ever about the sport.
Correct. The most annoying thing for me would be the completley mismatched fights at the highest level, i.e title fights. It wouldn't be so bad if the top fighters were fighting 4-5 times a year but when they fight just twice and one of those is against someone who's not even ranked top 10 or given a ludicrous ranking then it's sickening. But it's all about the money at the end of the day and everyone is simply going to look out for themselves
You must have me confused with someone else, this is the first thread I've made about this and the only one. And you clearly didnt read anything I said as I mentioned in the 2nd section that I only started wathing UFC this year, and that the standard of the stand up action makes it nearly unwatchable for me. Either that or you did read it but failed miserabley at reading comprehension in school ? :rofl
You moan about the price of the broadcasts, then go on to say you watch it for FREE on Setanta?? Or better yet, pirate streams?? You don't get to talk about the prices....
I was moaning about the actuall cards themselves, then brought up my disgust at the price that some people had to pay for them. An illegal stream was the only way I could watch last nigts card pipewrenched, as I live in the Uk, HBO isnt a broadcaster over here. Another way in which boxing is limiting its viewing audience.
It's a rather emotional and a bit dated post IMO. HBO just recently decided to hell with the Pavlik/Cotto mismatch cards. Berto-Collazo, the JMM/John double header, Mosley-Margarito were all pretty solid events. And this Saturday's show looked like a monster. It was very unfortunate that Guerrero was cut and both Arnaoutis and Julio showed much less than expected, but it really wasn't predictable. It just happened, turned out to be a very short night, but at least the fights were solid on paper with the TV willing to put only quality on. Maybe one out of 50 cards like this can turn out this short. So at worst, you could see 2 excellent prospects in action on free HBO, and many channels offer many boxing shows in between a Marquez-Diaz and a Hatton-Pacquiao, so no harm was done. Boxing is never going to die. In fact, I think it'll benefit from the current economical situation. As Arthur Abraham said of UFC: "it's just a crude street brawl without alot of rules. That's no poetry in motion, just brutal." - and I couldn't agree more. MMA might be a big thing in certain countries, but the buzz will go away, and boxing will still be around. But in many countries other than the US, boxing is very very popular and still produces something MMA simply can't: national icons. Boxing is going nowhere. I just wish all years would start like this, one disappointing BAD card just 7 days after Marquez-Diaz is something I can gladly accept.
Cheers The typical knee-jerk reaction from ESB has been outrage that I mentioned the UFC in my post at all.
I didnt mention the UFC to say that it was in anyway "taking over" or to say that it was better than boxing (It will never be for me). I brought it up as an example of how for say, their fans get a lot more than boxing fans in current conditions.
You made some good points, but unfortunately, the same points have been regurgitated over and over again for the past few years. As boxing fans, we know what the problem is. We also know what the solution is. The difficult part is carrying out the solution.
This post's going to take a while for me to digest, but off the top of my head... - HBO and Showtime seem to palpably resent going out of the USA to cover fights. When HBO is in Mannheim, Germany, they can't seem to understand why RTL is the top dog there and not them. I see them getting less and less relevant in the future. - American non-hardcore fans want to see knockout after knockout. Non-fans I talk to think that the only weight class in boxing is Heavyweight and unless a HW champion's personality is almost a self-parody and gets them on the nightly news on a regular basis, they're not on most Americans' radar. So they turn to MMA: lots of knockouts with names they can pronounce and no subjective judging to make one's brain hurt. - In the past, American boxing has been for the hungry, which usually means the most recent immigrant population: Jews, then Irish, then Italian, etc. in the early 20th century, for example. European boxing is a sport first and foremost, not a way to get off the streets or stay out of prison - I don't remember seeing a lot of Turkish or Romani boxers when I lived in Germany. - Addendum to the last point is, sadly, that when it's a NON-white immigrant group that's the new hungry generation of boxers, the American public only pays attention if they've taken the HW belts and there's a Great White Hope to displace them. Wlad and Vitali aren't exactly guys that can easily be painted as villains for an Italian Stallion to rally against! Americans like narrative and there's no pre-packed one to tell right now. - Argentina on north to Mexico is where I see the hungry boxing generation coming from and South Asia is where I see the new boxing mecca of venues to be. Those aren't people and places a Sarah Palin is ever going to be interested in. So... in my humble opinion, boxing isn't dead in America. The audience is.