Roy Jones Jr. vs. Marvin Hagler, at middleweight< who wins?

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  1. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Why?
     
  2. Dave's Top Ten

    Dave's Top Ten Active Member Full Member

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    :patsch I suggest you watch some of his fights on YouTube
     
  3. headhunter

    headhunter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler over 15

    Roy over 12
     
  4. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

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    I will. Help me out by telling me what I'm looking for.
     
  5. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    It's a tough call to make. On one hand you have the never say die hagler, one of the all-time greats of the division against jones, who is one of the most gifted boxers of this or any generation and also an all-time great.

    As i've stated before, styles make fights and jones definitely had the stlye to beat as well as the speed and reflexes. My only question is how would jones handle someone like hagler who was aggressive and hard punching, and if he possessed the heart neccessary to beat him.

    This is where jones is unproven imo. Hagler has an etablished record of handling tough, quality fighters and jones record pales in comparison. Hagler has faced tougher opponents and fought through adversity to overcome his foes, displaying a champions heart. Jones hasn't in fact hasn't fought everyone that he could and should have as being a champion.

    Theoretically,(on paper) Jones could outbox hagler with his far superior speed and win a decision, however I'm going with the more proven warrior. Hagler by late round tko in a highly entertaining fight.
     
  6. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    Right on. Clearly you underestimte the effect that haglers pressure could have on an opponent. Besides, there was nobody in the division who applied pressure the way hagler did.
     
  7. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    haglers one of my absolute favourites but im ganna have to agree with this..
    jones is a nightmare for hagler..
    ill add that jones is faster, hits harder and has infinately better footwork and this could be a real flogging..
    if this was over twelve rounds i dont think hagler would take more than 3 of them and thats being generous.
     
  8. DRMULLEN

    DRMULLEN Active Member Full Member

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    hagler, is one of the greatest fighters peroid.. a peak jones from 160 to 168 one nite only.. had wins over hopkins and toney a zillions yrs later hops is better than ever. toney on a good nite prehaps could get a title. i still cant pick.. jones, was the fastest human being i ever seen..
     
  9. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    why , because that speed is brilliant but when you come up against an immovable object like the marvellous one it wouldn't be enough.
     
  10. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I would be temped to say Draw. Jones doesn't make my top 20 HW's, I have Hagler at no.1, but H2H Jones measures up well against any ATG in any of the divisionms he competed in (bar HW)
     
  11. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    So all Roy has over Hagler is speed... :blood?

    Try Speed (foot and hand), Power, Reflex's, Natural Size, Styles, Punch variety, Ring IQ.

    Jones would have hit Hagler from the outside and not engadged, but Jones doesn't pot shot with light punches, he throw's lighting fast combinations with viscous power.

    He also takes body punches better and more easily than any fighter I have seen, and does not slow down.

    Sure could Hagler win, yeah. But Jones would be the hardest fight at that weight that he could have by miles.
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Speculation. I am sure you know that nobody has any evidence that he took anything other than an over the counter at that time unband substance.

    Jones took plenty of shots before, see the Hopkins fight, hell Ruiz hit him with at least 3 soild right hands. Never looked like going down.

    The only time he was down was vs De Valle at 175 who hit Jones with a Heavy shot and still managed to lose every round.

    His chin is fine.
     
  14. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    His legs were gone after the sudden move back down to LHW. Had he gone down to CW I think he would still be strong. But his legs were gone, he didn't look great in the first Tarver fight, and after the 2nd fight he was mentally shot and gun shy. Hence why Johnson beat him.

    I would say after the Johnson loss he was shot. He has been since then, though I think he still shows flashes of brilliance.

    However, Hagler COULD wear him down.

    I'm tempted to say DRAW over 12, Hagler over 15 or possibly late stoppage.
     
  15. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    I agree here.