Did Haye duck Wlad by not agreeing to terms?

He wanted Toney. He wanted Rahman. He wanted Wlad.

But he won't sign the damned contracts. The blame is always on the others. I have seen enough now.

 

When did he want Toney?

 

Blame? I think you're wrong. We have no idea whats in the contract. You guys are crying 'Oh the fights off! Hayes a ****!' with NO clue about the business world and what is in the contract.

 

i know from inside sources the terms that K2 came up with were ridiclious. Everything was in there favour fair enough, Haye in Germany even Kiev and also they could choose refs and judges Haye had no choice.

the thing that stopped this fight happening was that K2 wanted a 2 fight option on Haye, Haye was happy to sign this as long as those 2 fights were agaisnt Vitali or Wlad rematch, but the Klitsckos wanted it to be any fighter. K2 wanted Haye to have to fight those 2 fights and have to vacate, Haye would of wanted to face is mandatorys. This is why Haye did not sign, also his purse was only 25% more than the Enzo Macc fight i.e not over 1 million pounds. Also his purse for the next two fights were not even much higher.

Haye and Vitali has verbally agreed to everything and but the deal with Wlad was different for some reason, why would that be????

K2 do not want the fight for Wladamir they want it for Vitali!

 

Let me put it this way: I'm not a big fan of Wlad (not a hater either), but Haye opened his mouth so big that the pressure to make this fight definitely is on him (Haye).
After all he posed holding Wlads head in his hand in these fake pics. Haye is co-owner of Hayemaker promotions and has a say there. Ok, he's the CW champ and the most exciting opponent for Wlad out there right now, still he hasn't proved **** at HW (something he easily could have done if he fought a better opponent than Barrett) and is not mandatory for any of the belts. Wlad gives him a free shot at his belts and even stated he'd travel to London to stage the fight, imo he can dictate the terms. Wlad could also fight Chris Arreola in the states, of course us boxing fanatics prefer Wlad-Haye, but in the states Wlad-Arreola would be as big as Wlad-Haye in Europe. Wlad has an option, Haye hasn't - because he opened his mouth way too big. It's too late now, Haye can not fight anybody else than one of the Klits, everything else would be ridiculous. And at any rate Haye would make much more money in that fight than the ridiculous chump change Hayemaker promotions is known to offer Hayes opponents (just ask Barrett...). Plus K2 promotions is not known to make unrealistic demands when it comes to contracting fights, in contrary, they're known to be flexible, fair and easy-going. Ask anyone in the business and he will confirm that.

That said, if there indeed is a 2 rematch clause in the contract, like some on this site claimed, then it's not acceptable. 1 rematch clause is alright, but a 2-rematch clause is definitely too much - I could understand Haye then. But only if that's really true.

 

Haye should stop ****ing about and blast his way to a mandatory position. He would do this quite quickly and comfortably, and the Klitschkos would have to fight him.

 

wow, is that an official role? Dan Raphael, mouthpiece of all boxing contracts

every internet site has reported this using the same source.
ESPN live chat :roll:

 

I'd like to see him in against Valuev to see how he copes against a much bigger guy. Then Peter to see how he copes with a much better puncher and then Klitchko.

 

certainly.

as usual wlad and his team, like vitali's are totally blameless. they'd never dream of putting any outrageous you've got to rematch me and my brother if you beat me over and over until one of us beats you clauses in the contract.

 

I believe that there was a 2 re-match clause against Wlad and a 1 fight deal with Vitali :? 4 fights in total...

 

Just like everything was in favour of Toney and Rahman before.
I do not believe you at all. Wlad has never been a difficult partner to negotiate with.Haye already has a history now.

 

Yes, indeed.

Wlad gave Haye an opportunity when he did not have to. Haye got what he wanted but was not willing to sign.

 

Did he? I would like you to prove that statement please. Oh wait, you're one of these people who think everything starts and ends purely at being given a title shot aren't you.

Clauses don't matter do they...

 

i do feel privileged to be part of a forum with so many insiders and sources into contract negotiations.

 

Well, I'm speaking for myself here.

Although I do have friends who work within the business and I do get to hear things I would never betray their confidence on here...

Only once when I heard about the talk about a Hopkins vs Toney fight have I done that and within a week it was public knowledge anyway. (Although I have heard that no tv company wants to touch it.)

Anything I have said on this thread has been in newspapers and internet sites for some time....