Georges Carpentier - Evaluate

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  1. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How good was he? Where do you rate him at LHW and P4P? How do you rate him H2H against other fighters of similar weights? He has a lot of filler on his resume, but there are some stand out wins and accomplishments. He arguably beat Joe Jeannette in 1914, though he officially lost the decision. He beat Gunboat Smith in 1914, Smith was coming off of wins over Sam Langford, Jack Blackburn and Arthur Pelky. Aside from Jack Dempsey he was the only fighter to KO Battling Levinsky before he was utterly shot. Ted Kid Lewis, Joe Beckett and Billy Wells aren't bad wins either. He also looks pretty good on film, putting up a good fight against the bigger, stronger more powerful Jack Dempsey for the four rounds he managed to last.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Carpentier was a good fighter came up through the weights ,but his win over Smith was a dsq,Lewis was a Welter and the referee was holding Lewis's arm when Carpentier kod him. Dempsey was asked by promoter Tex Rickard to carry Carpentier for a couple of rounds to"give the folks their money's worth". Likely Dempsey could have dusted him quicker if he had tried.Carpentier was a fine LH but not top 10 imo.
     
  3. flamengo

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    McVey... Would yourself, or any others who read this post agree, that Carpentier had the greatest punching ability for any man his size, for the era?? Constantly braving fights against much larger men, his punch was on par with that of Tommy Burnes... IMO. He managed a fkn fantastic right hand on Dempsey. In all of Dempsey's title defences, its difficult to find another single blow that rattled his brain, as much as that of Carpentiers right hand.
     
  4. Maxmomer

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    Yes, it was a DQ loss, but according to some on this forum, and what little I've been able to find about the fight myself, Carpentier was winning at the time and Smith may have fouled out. As for Dempsey carrying Carp, I've stated in the past that Dempsey seemed to be working at a more relaxed pace and settled on just wearing Carpentier down instead of trying to outright blitz him, but Carpentier still showcased some good skills and put up a good fight in the time he had. So Ted Kid Lewis was a bad win, then? I never said they were great or even good wins. Just not bad. And boxrec has his weight listed for that fight at 157, making him a middleweight at the time, though still out-sized by Carpentier.
     
  5. Maxmomer

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    I think Carpentier had quite excellent P4P punching ability. Like I said, he KO'd Battling Levinsky, and did momentarily rattle Dempsey, though for the most part Dempsey was walking through those right hands with no ill-effects. In Dempsey's biography he noted that Carpentier was built like a puncher.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    A very good fighter who won belts ( French ) from flyweight to light heavy. Carpentier was skilled, I just don't think he was tough enough or durable enough to rate as top 10 ATG at light heavy.
     
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  8. Maxmomer

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    What's the highest you could see yourself rating him at Light-heavyweight?
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Somewhere between 11-17. Like I said he was a high end skill guy, just lacked the top end punch and the ability to take one...which matter more and more as fighters move up in class.

    I suggest you watch Carpentier vs Battling Siki. Great fight! Siki's durability and wild style wins over Carpentier's superior skills. Its a pity that the film was edited, and Siki kicked Carpentier when he was down accoridng to some.

    The way I see it, Carpentier was on his way out.
     
  10. Maxmomer

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    I've watched parts of it a long time ago. At the time I didn't even know who Siki was and was shocked when he got up and KO'd Carp. I need to revisit that sometime soon. Do you think the Dempsey fight took anything out of Carpentier, or was he just steadily declining due to an already long career?
     
  11. Senya13

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    Outside of Top 30 at lhw, and outside of Top 100 P4P. Not particularly skilled or fast or clever, good punch was all he had. Plus a lot of hype.
    Smith didn't foul out. He barely grazed Carpentier when the latter went down, the punch had no power behind it, but Carpentier's manager saw it as a safe way of winning a dangerous fight.
     
  12. flamengo

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    Sounds like another great, with limited PUNCH, SKILLS...

    Carpentier has a LEGITIMATE reason to be a top 100.
     
  13. Senya13

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    Remind me how good did he do meeting American fighters, even at his home turf?
     
  14. mcvey

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    The Siki fight was a fix.
     
  15. mcvey

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    To be fair to Georges his early defeats to Dixie Kid ,Billy Papke and Frank Klaus happened when he was 17 ,and 18 years old.Gene Tunney beat a faded Carpentier and remarked on his skills ,so did Loughran, he wasnt all hype by any means as his fight with Jeanette showed.In my top 20 at LH