Primo Carnera vs. Valuev

Primo pts 15.

 

Carnera has loads of "kos" but is not listed in the top 100 alltime punchers ,and the Year he won the heavyweight Title the Ring did not give a Fighter Of the Year Award, does this tell you anything?

 

I'm interested in hearing your elaboration on the issue.

 

Carnera was a known gangland puppet, with opponents paid to take a dive, his KO's are therefore reletively higher than they should be.

Though to answer the original question, I couldn't give a rats who won it's send me to sleep

 

Primo handled Campolo and Impelletiere, proving he wasn't always dependent on a size advantage to win. His decision over Loughran was on the level. He won every round against Baer where he kept his feet. He was a legitimate 15 round performer.

Carnera UD 15 Valuev in a dull match. I'm not convinced Valuev could have beaten either Loughran or Uzcudun.

 

Carnera has his defenders on here , Janitor is one of them and has put his case effectively but [not to me]convincingly.For me he was a fair mechanical boxer with a ton of heart who never punched his weight,his ko over Sharkey notwithstanding, he rarely stopped a top guy,Lasky survived intact,Uzcudon too,Loughran was never in danger of being floored though outweighed by 85 lbs Levinsky went the route ,Gains ,though greatly outweighed not only comfortably outpointed Carnera he dropped him too.Neusel was stopped on cuts etc.Schaaf was a sick man.Traditionally the ring gave its "Fighter Of the Year" award to a boxer winning the heavyweight championship,in1933 The Ring gave no award, that was the year Carnera ostensibly "kod "Sharkey for the title. Make up your own mind.If Carneras ko record was held in esteem would he not be included in the 100 punchers list? Stribling is somewhat similar I think.Valuev is a bigger version of Carnera for me ,a fair jab for his size a clubbing puncher without snap to his shots.eg Toney stops Holyfield but Valuev cant emulate the trick against an older, even more eroded Evander. Carnera had marginally more skill than Valuev ,so I go for him by dec ,but no one is geting hurt here except the public.

 

One of the worst matchups in the history of boxing.

Both guys were/are absolutely terrible.

Carnera, for what it's worth, was a bit more skilled than the giant Valuev, I'd give him a chance to with a 15 round points decision. You'd think such big guys would be hard punchers, but it's definitely not the case with these two. A boring points decision with lots of holding. It would be like watching John Ruiz and Henry Akinwande fight each other.

 

I didnt suggest that Carnera had the advantage of size over ALL his opponents, just the better ones,indeed I pointed out to Mr Magoo that Carnera beat some men even bigger than himself ,a couple of threads ago.Carnera's win over a Loughran, a bit past his best WAS on the level but 85 lbs IS an advantage and he nearly crippled Tommy by stamping on his feet. My point was that despite his enormous size advantage Carnera NEVER came close to flooring Loughran ,,this was a rebuttal to those who suggested that Carnera has serious pop in his shots ,because he had many listed "kos " on his record. PS .Campolo was moderate and Loughran twice outboxed Impellitiere ,despite conceding 70+lbs to him.
"Won every round against Baer, where he kept his feet?" Well, he was down 11 times in 11 rounds so how many rounds would you say he won?
Baer clowned around with him for the most part ,every time he got serious ,Primo hit the deck WATCH THE FIGHT!
Question ,if Carnera was a puncher do you think a man outweighed by 85 lbs and conceding over 6 inches in height , goes the distance with him without EVER being in danger of going down ?
Think Calzaghe versus Vitaly Klitshcko, does Calzaghe see the last round?

 

Looking at Carnera's fights on video, it is his jab which impresses me. The snap/quickeness of the jab and he doubles up on it often. The problem is he never really had power in the straight right hand behind it, and when you see the pop of his jab you are looking for the big power right hand to come behind it. Noted on the positive side he has good endurance and did wear down a lot of fighters with hooks and uppercuts into the later rounds. Whichever fighter, Carnera or Valuev can establish the jab would win, and I give the edge to Carnera.

 

Hmmmm.... I don't know..... Primo Carnera was pretty sad as a boxer....... For such a hulk, he too, was a stinker in boxing gloves..... YES! Nick Valuev does suck.... Nuff said there, but I'm not so sure Carnera could beat Valuev.... A fight between two hulks who can't fight......

MR.BILL

 

After watching Carnera-Sharkey I can't see another winner than Primo. I was suprised because he possesed some decent boxing skills.

 

Right. Even if accepting that Carnera was fed a steady diet of set-ups, it would be impossible not to evolve some measure of skill through sheer weight of extensive experience.

Primo also has to be given credit for conditioning and endurance. There is simply no way to fabricate these qualities in a 15 round performance before a large audience. Carnera did have some decent decision wins over competent opposition in his resume. (Loughran, Uzcudun twice, and King Levinski twice.)