Margarito Investigation Concluded...according to official

Teddy Atlas is a proffesional trainer that wraps his fighters hands......

......he said that he folds up a lenghth of gauze to the width of a fighters fist and makes a pad out of it called a knucklepad.....he places that pad over his fighters knuckles to protect the knuckle area.....and then keeps wrapping the fighters hand with guaze to hold the knucklepad over the fighters knuckles......
....Atlas even went further than that by elaborating that Angelo Dundee had told him that he used to place a piece of sponge over Muhamad Ali's knuckles and then gauze over them to hold the sponge in place....

Sorry my friend, but in all honesty I'm positive from what I've heard Atlas describe that using gauze to create a seperate knucklepad is perfectly legal......the fact tha he described Dundee using sponge as Ali's knucklepad only confirms it even further.

Btw, I know others here heard the same statements from Atlas......please speak up....

 

Why would Shane say they looked like regular pads if Knucklepads are illegal?

.....would'nt he have said, Margarito was caught with knucklepads in his wraps, they're illegal

 

:good Case closed.

 

Foreign substance. Kthx


MargoCheato Banned

 

EXACTLY... :adminIt's all a conspiracy against Margarito. I think the world is out to get him and this proves it . They are all haters just because he's so big and strong, right Zakkyman? No worries , he's still our "tortillero champ", and let's not forget he's "the most feared fighter in boxing", until proven otherwise :yep.

 

Exactly!! This is all that really matters. He had a knuckle pad when he shouldnt have. End of. :deal

 

To those of you who feel, that he cheated and it doesnt matter, what the substance was. would your opinion be any different, if the substance wasnt plaster but a knucklepad..?

do you feel, that the "degree" of cheating is important..?

as i wrote in another post, to me its vital to know, what the substance was/is, before judging margo..

 

yep. Other trainers like Russ Anber have said that you can either make the pad from the gauze used for the wraps or pre-make a pad with gauze and then insert it.

However from what i understood Margarito tried to hide an old piece of gauze inside the premade knuckle pad. So that right there is definately illegal. Its not like he just inserted an old knuckle pad under the wraps by mistake. The old bloody gauze was hidden inside the knucle pad.

that right there indicates that they knew they were doing something illegal.

 

nope, rules are rules. If i stole a single tiny candy from a grocery store its still stealing. Same applies here

 

You're implying Margarito was suspended for using knuckle pads, which aren't illegal. If that's the case, and knuckle pads are indeed legal, then Margarito should have absolutely no problem getting the ruling overturned, right? That would mean the CSAC has no grounds what so ever for suspending Margarito's license.

Regardless, whether knuckle pads are legal or illegal, is irrelevant really. The issue is not as much with pads as it is with the "substance" found on them. Shane's doctor as well as inspector Mike Bray both identified the substance on the pads as being "plaster-like."

Personally, I'd like to think Margarito is innocent. It's obviously not good for Boxing, and the damage he may have possibly, unfairly inflicted on certain fighters throughout the years is irreversible, regardless of an Athletic Commision's ruling. However, that's hard to believe considering the stories from those who were present at the time this all took place, as well as the ruling by the CSAC. If this was some big conspiracy against Margarito, like some seem to believe, then Margarito should have one hell of a lawsuit to file.

 

You guys clearly dont understand...Knuckle padding is OK, but it has to be part of the wrap...You have to take the gauze unroll it fold it over, lay it on the hand wrap over it, THEN fold into the pad. You cant take a gauze make a pad then lay it on the hands...Beside the way that you guy said and what Margo did isnt the same thing..Margo's hands were wrapped then his trainer took a slide the pad under his wrap...

Ill see if I can find an example of how to wrap hands on the net somewhere...More to came...

 

This post describes exactly how it went about.....

.....except that at the hearing, Capetillo explained that he had brought with him already made knucklepads, which is allowed in the state of California, but not in other states like Nevada......

Capetillo's story was that because Richardson from the start of the wrapping session was dictating to them and the inspector how to wrap the hands , he was already fuming and not thinking clearly when he took the wrong knucklepads out of his bag and placed them over Margarito's knuckles.

Capetillo's story when you consider the fact that he was already a rattled man trying to wrap Margarito's hands by Richardson's standards, its really a believable story.......but I do agree that he should be punished for being negligent to not have inspected his bag beforehand and not have in it knucklepads that were used in the gym by fighters to hit the heavybag.

.....and Ph|LLa, Capetillo did'nt try to hide an old piece of pad around or under a legal pad.....its just how the Pad was taken out of the bag.....and he placed those pads on Margarito's fist just how he took them out of the bag....

This has been discussed before, but the reason why I believe Capetillo's story is that when Capetillo took out and placed the knucklepad on Margarito's fists, he already knew that Richardson was scrutinizing everyone of his moves.......
....it just makes no sense what so ever to have had Capetillo purposely taken an illegal pad and placed it on Margarito, knowing that Richardson from the word go, was on him like a hawk.

Ph|LLa, at the point that Capetillo placed the first knucklepad on Margarito, Richardson had already made Capetillo stop and restart to rewrap three times.

Capetillo explained it in the hearing, that he was rattled by Richardson forcing his rules on the inspector and making them have to wrap under his rules......under this state is when Capetillo mistakenly took out of his bag the wrong Pads already brought with him premade....

.....apparently Capetillo had other pads in his bag, both legal, and the ones that his fighters at the gym use for the punching bag....
....under the circumstances, it sounds believable to me.


If Richardson had caught those pads under a normal situation where he had'nt rattled Capetillo making him rewrap Margarito's hands several times.....
In other words, it everything in that wrapping session was going smooth and then Richardson spoke up and caught the knucklepad.....then Capetillo's story would be harder to believe..........but under the circumstances, as long as it was'nt a plaster like substance on those pads(which has yet to be disclosed, and is the reason why it should be disclosed), it sounds quite believable to me that what Capetillo did was a simple mistake.

 

Yeah, but if you steal a piece of candy from the grocery store, the judge is likely to just give you a slap in the wrist and enforce a fine and warning.....

.....if you steal an automobile, you're likely to serve time in jail!

You're not going to serve the same amount of time for stealing candy and stealing something of much greater value.

Same logic applies here....

 

I'm gettin the feeling that you're trolling a little here....

Proof that you can make a seperate knuckle pad and place it on a fighters knuckles is that Capetillo was placing that seperate knucklepad on Margarito's second hand in the view of the inspector and Richardson.....
.....it is at that time that Richardson asked the inspector that he wanted to feel the knucklepad.....

....the knucklepad was handed to Richardson and it was at that point that Richardson noted that it was harder than normal.....
......Why did'nt Richardson say, "what are you doing placing a seperate knucklepad on your fighter?"


Whats in question here is the dexterity of the knucklepad, not the knucklepad itself!

I have no clue where you're getting that its a knucklepad (hard or not) thats in question......

The Pad was firmer than normal.....thats what is being brought into question, not the fact that Capetillo placed a knucklepad in Margarito's fists.

 

Unless the judge has an agenda against you and wants to throw the book at you. Which is also what we have here.