Who doesnt consider Ali to be a three time HW champ?

I don't look into the number of times a guy has been a champ. All that shows is that you can't hold onto the belt.

 

By your theory some would say Louis lost his title to Walcott, Holmes to Witherspoon, possibly even stretch it to Tyson not losing his to Douglas.

Its in the record books that Ali officially beat Norton.

Do you consider Axel Schultz as a former heavyweight champ, by your logic many should.

 

Spinks got the WBC Title stripped from him for fighting Ali.

Ali won the WBA title from Spinks....not the universal title.

So, Ali universal Champ from Liston & Foreman.....and WBA Champ from Spinks.

 

He was three time champion, yes, but it's no big deal. Beating Spinks 1st time and retiring as a two-time champ would have been more impressive.

 

Fair enough, seems quite revisionist to me but at least you are consistent.

Out of interest could you post your title lineage?

 

I agree. Losing to Spinks, a 'contender' with half a dozen fights is downright embarrassing, and makes Ali's legacy look worse.

All of Ali's fights after Manilla are irrelevant sideshows IMHO.

For the sake of his legacy, Ali should have retired straight after Frazier III, and never stepped into a boxing ring again. That was the last serious legacy fight for Ali, and the last time we saw Ali as a great fighter.

Quitting after Foreman would be best for Ali's health. I wonder what condition Ali would be in health wise today, if he had quit after Zaire?

 

Technically, 2 and a half, with him only winning back the WBA version from Spinks.

 

:huh or are you really Mr Sulaiman?:blood

 

His fight vs Foreman is a NC 4 me so he didn't win back his title in d 2nd time . His 2 circus shows vs Liston r still undecided in their legitimacy , at least 4 me . 3rd time ? there never was a 2nd . Actually 4 his 2 performances vs Doug Jones & Henry Cooper he shouldn't have been granted his 1st title shot , and 4 not rematching Chuvalo immediately he should have been stripped of d title he didn't deserve in 1st place .
And since that 4 most he lost Norton #3 then he didn't regain it a 3rd time even if supposing that he really was d champion then .

 

LOL; where do you start or finish with that?

I say Sharkey beats Schmeling for the vacant crown on a TKO and then Walker gets the nod over Jack, then the Heavyweight Championship of the World goes on an amazing journey, with such iconic champions as:

Emile Olive

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381172&cat=boxer

Bouquillon III

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=608574&cat=boxer

And the only fighter to ever fight only in World Heavyweight Championship fights as a pro: Filya:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=574003&cat=boxer

Eventually Freddie Mills becomes the first British World Heavyweight Champion of the 20th century, he loses to Woodcock, who blows the Savold fight, he loses to Louis and lineage is ended with The Brown Bomber blowing his title in not 12 years and 26 defences, but in a first defence to one Brockton Blockbuster...

 

D championship means **** in this sport . Duckings of all sorts of excuses , allowed foul technique , cheats of all sorts , i probably forgot more .
y should i care about a champion who doesn't fight other races than his own ? and those who won it from him ? they didn't win it from d best . y should i care about a champion who got saved by his torn glove ? a champion saved by d judges , or even worse , by d ref ?
loose ropes , rushing d opponent with no time 2 prepare , draining d opponent . 1 needs 2 know d history if he wants 2 know who was d best @ 1 point in it .

 

ok, since we're playing silly games, i suggest Ali won the title 4 times. Didnt he beat the champ ernie terrell?

 

Except there's no way Jack Sharkey deserved to win by TKO with that low blow.
You MIGHT be able to say it stays vacant until they fight again, and then Schmeling beats Sharkey, Baer wins champship straight off Schmeling, loses to Braddock etc.

:good


.... but that's all just my version !