Interesting points, but what about the vaginal bruising? That would indicate the girl wasn't fully aroused/lubricated and was taken forcefully, some girls like rough sex and a girl can be sore after sex but the examiner stated this level of bruising strongly indicated ****, it could be rough consentual sex? Just because the girl accused another man of raping her doesn't mean that boyfriend didn't **** her, I've known a girl who told me she was raped on 3 occasions by different men I'm not sure about this case against Tyson but he clearly does show deviant behaviour at times
Well if you can sit here & claim Tyson has a pattern of certain behaviors why can't I mention Ms Washington's disturbng patterns of behavior? Her accusing former boyfriends of **** is a twisted pattern. I only bought up the Duke Lacrosse case & Kobe Bryants case (both had so called bruising)to show you evidence can be presented anyway a prosecutor wishes. You say he was convicted & I say, so what as it has been proven that DA's convict/prosecute innocent men in this country all the time on bogus/misguided evidence.(Again check Dallas county DA Craig Watkins crusade to free many innocent men & 21 so far from a single county alone) As a groupie Tyson probably didn't take his time with her as he probably wanted to screw her & get her out of his room & She also had to rush & get back to her hotel before she was in trouble with the Teen Pageant.( Maybe that's why she hurried to the bathroom & took out her tampon 'voluntarily' when there was a lock on the door & visible phone in the bathroom & returned to bed with Mike) Tyson could have been pounding her fast or was a bit large for her, but evidence can be presented by an overzealous DA anyway they please. Most men walking the street are deviants by your high standards if playing grab ass with girls, being crude/blunt with women(many, many whom absolutely loved it even the perfect & virginal Ms washington at one time) & being questionably accused of date **** by a woman who had done the same crap before. Even her acqaintances/friends doubt Ms Washington's story. The four or five time burglar/****** Ayala (whom was shot by one of his intended victims he burglarized & probably planned to ****)comparisons I've see here are ludicrous. Tyson was accused once of a very questionable "HE says/She Says" **** with a woman who had done it in the past. Trying to trash Tyson's character (who has publicly almost to a point of embarassment has admitted his shortcomings as well )does nothing to bolster the character/reputation of Atlas.
on the contrary, it wasnt redundant, it was relevant. Was it not you, who called me a ****ing cretin?? so under those circumstaces, you are hardly in a position, to call anything redundant. ahh its school time again, is this the tripod school of excellence?:yep well mr school of excellence, the answer is, to make it easier to read and more understandable. in the school of tripod excellence, is this enough the get the grade A+
This groupie stuff is just trying to dehumanize the victim, its crap. I genuinely believe Tyson doesn't think he raped the woman thats pretty much his mindset. But you must answer two questions 1. why was he convicted in the first place and don't give this rubbish about the judicial system. 2. why hasn't an appeal been lodged, which is unusual when you consider the profile of the case.
To Stonehands, and GPater--I don't llike him as public figure for boxing, becasue eventually he will get caught doing something hecan't get out of, or excuse, and sport will look bad (If he is considered rep of sport) He has twice been suspended at ESPN, and beat up fan at Madison Square Garden. That made papers, but was excused. He was eithernot ESPN commentato at time, or was just starting the gig. As a stratagist, he gets a lot of attention with that 'Bing. bang. BOOM!" routine he does in his Teddy Atlas corner segment on ESPN. BUt all that stuf fis nonsense. FOr example, he is always talking about guys being open, or falling in--yet they are 21-1, or 30-2, or some record like that. Their trainers know what they are doing. Sure, some guys drop left afet a jab--but they are not getting hit cause thay are out of range by steping back after jab, or throwing it at right time. He is good choreographer---which brings us to--- In late 1980's, Atlas was nowhere as trainer. He got job training actor William Defoe for a movie, called Triumph of the Spirit. He turned that into job as movies choreograher, and got part in movie. If you see poster of movie, guy getting knocked out by De Foe is Atlas. Teddy got small part as actor, and started taking acting lesssons, and picked up role in remake of John Cassevete' s 1970's movie Gloria. Teddy palyed a henchmen in remake (starred Sharon Stone) but any lines he had were cut. If he had not gotten Briggs, then Moorer, we would not be discussing him now. He lucked out with Moorer. Many Steward made Moorer what he was, Teddy was like jockey who falls onto a horse as it is about to cross finish line as winner, and declares after race 'I did it all!" Only thing with Teddy is he's sneaky, he gets media buddies to say 'He did it all" for him.
Atlas is a shameless self promoter, I would think he could work with a fighter that needs motivation with his ranting and raving style suiting this, but no one could take him long term. I did read on Wikipedia that when his wife was hospitalized he spent every night with her which does show another side to him.
1 )Because the US Justice system is omnipotent & infallible so they know exactly what the **** happened behind those doors . No one has ever been convicted wrongly in the US justice system.(very strong sarcasm) She isn't the first broad to cry **** & proven wrong. 2 )Before you spout your mouth at least get your facts straight. Tyson attempted to file an appeals with the Indiana Supreme Court which was denied 2-1. With the one dissenting Justice blastng his colleagues for their awful ,unfair decison & ignoring evidence not allowed in the trial(Falsley accused Wayne Walker of **** the previous year & three witnesses at the hotel who would testify how the Groupie perjured herself on the stand. Lying about her & Tyson's raunchy behavior before they disappeared upstairs. Please read article below; http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n17_v84/ai_14301524 If this Crazy Groupie had been raped the previous year by another 'boyfriend' she must be one of the dumbest broads ever. Tyson was like a freaking Octupus at the Teen Pageant & rudely & openly propositoned nearly every damn contestant present(it's on video). For a recent alleged date **** victim to trust another man enough to risk being kicked out of the Beautypageant & sneak out her room at 3:00 a.m. to be with the openly crude rude Champ is baffling. To stick her tongue down his face & 'voluntarily'(she testified to it)remove her filthy tampon in the bathroom( which had a telephone) & return to Tyson's bed is mind boggling. Then lied on the stand that she would not sue the champ(she was pure & her intentions were pure) , but afterwards quickly sued & settled with him after the trial. Really it is a moot point as the damage has been done. But if you want to continue to believe some two bit lying GRoupie( the only kind title I have for the twat) who was disappointed & embarassed by Tyson, so be it. Tyson's BS conviction(though it was a conviction) should have nothing to do with Atlas & their relationship when he was 15 or Atlas' character.
Thanks. I'll respectfully disagree that he 'isn't much of a strategist'. I think that he is that he does much good for boxing. He may have a larger share of "humanity" than the average guy, and Lord knows we have all done or said things that aren't so good, but I appreciate his presence in boxing.
point 1 Washington has cried **** but has not been proven wrong, the justice system is imperfect but it is the best we have and everyone has their right to their day in court. point 2 I was wrong he had an appeal denied 2-1 obviously with one dissenting judge this raises concern but this does not mean that judge believed he was innocent. You seem to have a problem with women, all women use tampons it is basically a standard practice you tell me why this one is especially filthy and disgusting, she was a beauty pagent contestant and by the sound of it was the only one Tyson was able to hook up with despite efforts with to do so with all the contestants, your words. Events from the past such as the **** allegation are normally never allowed to be aired in court this is standard practice and it is hearsay only, maybe you can tell me if Washington made this allegation to the police or not. You haven't said why the three witnesses were denied, would their evidence have swung the trial? Obviously something you haven't said is that while Washington may have been prepared to have performed certain sex acts, sex itself may have been out because she was menstruating a lot of women will not have sex while they are. Really you have to ask yourself if the evidence of the three witnesses was strong enough to warrant an appeal.
Thanks for admitting to being wrong & spouting misinformation. She was probably the only Beauty Pageant contestant stupid & conniving enough to risk being evicted from the Beauty contest by sneaking out of her room to go Mike Tyson's room at 3:00 a.m. We can at least agree that she was stupid/conniving & the other contestants didn't feel it was worth being booted from the pageant from misbehavior. It was strictly prohibited for contestants to leave that hotel or fraternize with men. At least proves the issue that she is sneaky/coniving/manipulative & even underminded the Pageant's integrity/authority when the other ladies wouldn't. Then went to trial & was the sweet innocent Christian Princess. Twits who admit to 'voluntarily' removing their dirty tampons(yes they are all dirty) before sex in a bathroom( with a telephone) & then say she was forced to do something are just extra nasty. The evidence of the three witnesses would have cast doubt on her perfect innocent little christain bull****. But who lnows when the systems smell Blood ,especially celebrity blood, there is hardly any stopping. No I have a problem with internet heroes who believe any damn thing a woman says & try to use it as a means of trashing a man forever. It is beyond shocking to me how easily women can claim ****(Duke Lacrose, Kobe & the hundreds of men exonerated through DNA & we instantly believe their BS) You really have absolutely no defense against "He says She says ****" . This is a perfect example of how people try to remove the issue from the subject(Atlas) by trashing someone else. I thought the thread title was Teddy Atlas?
If anyone has his book, does he claim he is of omanian-Jewish ancestry on father's side? I know his mother was Irish.
Reason I asked above question is regarding him upstaging fighters. In !989, Simon Brown's managers fired trainer who got him title, and hired Atlas. Brown was going to get big buildup. He was going to defend in Budapest, Hugary, and fight would be televised live on regular television, and Hungarian goverment wanted topromote country for tourism. It was to be first title bout there since before WW2. Newspapers covered it early, but Atlas got more publicity. People had thought he was Romanian, but he said he was Hungarian, and wanted to contact family there. Writhers, who were friends of Atlas, played up the 'Hungarian kid returns to roots' angle, at expense of Simon Brown. Atlas wa slaying on stories of ungarian Jewish ancestors, Nazi's, family roots--day of fight he got as much coverage in pre-fight show as fighters (Ever see that, trainer gets publicity?) He got award, I think a medal, from Mayor of Budepest. It's on tape, the show, if anyone has it. I believe NBC did broadcast. I could swear in his autobiography he was Romanian again, but I must be wrong. He wouldn't get caught in lie.
First point I admitted to being wrong not spouting misinformation. I don't agree with you that she was sneaky/coniving/manipulative & even underminded the Pageant's integrity/authority for sneaking out of her hotel room who knows what the other contestants got up to, at least they weren't raped. The fact that she said she removed her tampon just points to her telling the truth, nothing is ever black and white. You keep mentioning the three defense witnesses who were not allowed to testify but you do not mention the prosecution witnesses whose testimony was denied, notably the 44 year old limousine driver who was allowed to testify that When Washington returned to the limousine after being with Tyson "She looked like she may have been in a state of shock dazed, disoriented. She seemed scared." but was not allowed to testify with her claim that Tyson had been sexually aggressive toward her also, in other words Tyson groped his chauffeur a woman old enough to be his mother before they picked up Washington, where was Teddy Atlas when you needed him. You never mention the testimony of the doctor who examined Washington more than twenty four hours after the event, who said she had sustained injuries consistent with forced or very hard sex and this is the key testimony the fact that the woman was injured during sex which she claimed was the result of Tyson raping her. This was physical evidence to back up her allegations and this is why Tyson was convicted and it doesn't matter whether she was a gold digger or not. I haven't hijacked this thread on Atlas, I made a relevant point that Tyson was a convicted ****** when we were posting about his actions with Atlas's niece and really it amazed me that some of the posters here think that Tyson, who at sixteen was the size of a large man, did nothing serious in groping an eleven year old child. You then started rubbishing me with your rubbish about Tyson being railroaded. You have a problem with the truth and you are so biased in your comments that it has ruined your arguments. Tyson was convicted by a jury and that conviction still stands and until it is overturned that is good enough. I will not post again on the Tyson **** trial even if provoked fellas it is Atlas's thread after all.