Max Schmeling v Larry Holmes

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Given that Larry is a little vulnerable to the right hand, and Schmeling has maybe the sneakiest, sharpest right hand in the entire history of the division - with all due love and respect to Ali, Walcott and Moore - what do you make of Shcmeling's chances of upsetting the great Holmes?

    Here is tenish minutes of Max thrashing another great, primarily off the back of a perfect right hand thrown at an opponent vulnerable to that punch:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNm8ETi1VEc
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I reckon Larry would dissect him and stop Max late...fair point about the right hand making it interesting though.
     
  3. RonnieHornschuh

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    let's not get carried away here. schmeling is massively overrated, he isn't even in the h2h top 20...
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nobody is getting carried away. Holmes has a stylistic weakness that makes him vulnerable in the exact area where Schmeling absolutley excells. He is also in possesion of one of the greatest wins in HW history. That'll do for starters.
     
  5. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes was flattened by a single right hand from Shavers and Snipes, but recovered to continue dominating. Schmeling did not have the sort of counter right which would do this to somebody of Larry's caliber without some preliminary softening up. Holmes might hit the deck, but if so, he would recover to win a fairly pedestrian 15 round decision.
     
  6. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Can't see Max winning this - even when he is floored like Duodenum posted. Holmes UD, maybe Schmelling would steal some rounds, but not many.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes was a very good boxer but was got hit with the right hand. Schmeling had some good boxing skills and had an excellent right hand. I could see a prime Schmeling giving Holmes problems....more than likely a very alert and in tune Holmes can win but Max had more of a follow up than Shavers, Hit harder than Snipes and was a more skilled boxer than Weaver so there would not be a reason to discount Max's chances or be surprised if he did KO Holmes...Like I said Holmes by UD but if Max's right hand dropped Holmes, he would better equipped to finish him than Shavers or Snipes.
     
  8. spion

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    Louis doesn't really have any lateral movement and was easier for Schmeling to hit. Holmes on the other hand would be moving and a lot harder to land clean on. Also getting past Larry's jab would be difficult for Max. I think Holmes would hammer Schmeling with the jab and take away a lot of Max's forward aggression which was vital to Schmeling. If Schmeling was to drop Holmes, I believe that Larry would survive and eventually stop Schmeling.

    Great clip of the fight.........SHITTY music to accompany it.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Even though Max stopped Louis ,it took him a long time to do it ,and he was landing his right all night,Schmeling finished up with his eye shut from Joe's jab ,something that is usually forgotten . Holmes had a great jab not as hard as Louis 's but faster and he pumped it out all night.Larry was vulnerable to the right but had collossal powwers of recuperation,the best I have seen I think. Holmes own right was underated he could take you out ,and his uppercut was very quick and precise.Holmes takes this by dec ,imo.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Agree, if Max tags Holmes perfectly, I think he would get him.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's a good point, and I agree.

    As a counterpoint, let's remember that Max wasn't as interested in ditching the jab as he was in countering it, which does make a difference.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    I can't give Schmeling a snowball's shot in hell at this one, and I really don't care what kind of argument anyone fronts about Holmes getting dropped with right hands. There were only a small handful of guys who buzzed Holmes with their rights. None of them were ex-lightheavys and none were able to finish him either.

    Holmes by mid round TKO with minimal trouble.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Little rash considering

    a - Holmes lost to an "ex-lightheavyweight"

    b - Schmeling beat a fighter Holmes probably would have ducked ;)
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    You know as well as I do that neither of those two points are relevant, and the reasons should be more than obvious.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody is really overrating Max, but you have to admit he looks real real good against Louis, even considering that this is the same Louis that was making everybody pee in their britches from fright BEFORE he would even lay a glove on them. Schmeling was in his groove all night against Joe, and had the right hand working to perfection, as well as using an effective defense that night against Joe. Max was too small, slow and limited to face a modern day "giant" like Holmes. Holmes would dominate Max with the jab and outbox him for a decision or a late rounds tko IMO.