Jack Loew: I don't like the Mora fight, Abraham would be easy work.

You may be right, but after his last fight, I think AA has stayed at 160 too long already and I'm not sure he can be the threat he once was at the weight.

 

Reg, your position on these matters ia completely inconsistent.

You've said that Abraham wouldn't be a paper champ if he beat Sturm, but you agreed that Sturm is a paper champ.

How ****ing consistent is that ?

You never answered the post re Marciano retiring undefeated and thus 'ending the line'.

The fact of the matter is that with the complete ****ing mess of four ABC titles plus a RING title, there IS NO CLEAR champ.

Anyone with a belt can make a claim.

How valid that claim is nowadays is largely up to fans and general public recognition.

There are no paper champs. There are just varying degrees of legitimacy to any title-holders claims.

One Zolst Erdei hold a lt heavy title at the minute. Do you think a lot of people see him as 'the man' at 175 ?

That distinction, IMO and in the opinion of most fans, belongs to Bad Chad.




The last man to holld and defend all the MW belts was Hopkins. He beat Pavlik. (Not at 160, but he schooled him).

Taylor held the lineal title when Pavlik beat him, So Pav is the current lineal champ and, as I've stated earlier, the most legitimate claim to being recognized as 'the man' at 160.

AA has a belt, (not a paper belt, a real one). He has some claim on being the man too. At this point, for me, Pav's claim is stronger.


But, my earlier point is that who the public perceives to be the true champion is not always determined by belts or RING titles or Lineal standing.

In time, if AA continues to defend and KP refuses to fight him, for whatever reason, he will lose his legitimacy in the public eye.

If 2009 ends, and KP has continued to avoid the fight for any reason other than injury, AA will be seen as the champ.


I've also said that the fight is a 50/50 proposition, with KP having an advantage if it goes 12 and AA having an advantage if it doesn't.


So let the fight get made.

Some time this year.

 

Back when Sauerland ****ed Zuniga over, and gave a fight to Elvyn Ayala, that cat lasted 2:30 into the 12th round. All of AA's fans on here said, "oh yes, but AA has trouble with runners and cute boxer types. Pavlik's style is perfect for Arthur"

The other night the #43 man at 160 took 4 rounds off Arthur. He did it by coming forward behind a decent jab, and by refusing to be intimidated. A tall lanky guy with a modest jab, no power, and a decent chin, made AA look horrendous. What's going to happen to Arthur when he faces a guy with a similar style to Simon, but this guy has power in both hands, and does everything literally 10 times better?

 

Arthur Abraham is a lot like Joe Calzaghe in the fact that they both fight down to their competition. If the superfight of Pavlik/Abraham were made, my guess is that Abraham would have no problem making weight and showing up for that fight. He would be supremely motivated because he would know that he would have to be in top form in order to be victorious.

I hope it happens.

 

He would come in more focused and in better shape...he fights down to his competition.

I'm not saying that Arthur would win the fight, but it would be a much tougher match-up than Jack believes.

I personally would love to see this fight. I think both fighters would bring their "A" game to this one!!

 

Look at his face in the photos of the first Marquez weigh in and the weigh in photos for the Simon bout. I have serious questions about whether he can still make 160 safely AND effectively. When you have no fat to lose, it starts coming from the muscle and my guess is once that process starts, it isn't good. Look at Oscar for Pac. It think this fight should happen at 168. I really believe it is too late for 160. My take on it anyhow.

 

Simon actually showed a good jab and he didn't even come close to making him look horrendous.Horrendous is Cintron in Martinez vs Cintron only without the result.

 

And that is starting to look like the Pavlik camp's strategy.

Wait long enough and the AA problem will go away.

He'll either fill out too much and move up.




Or die of old age.

 

Not that I haven't posted this before. Pavlik's career moves shouldn't be dictated by AA's ability to make weight. Not a hard concept to understand.

 

i sure hope you're wrong...Abraham doesn't have the height or speed to be a serious factor at 168.

If he can't make weight at 160, in my opinion, he should retire.

 

Your first paragraph that I quoted is truly false information. Reg, maybe you think I have a problem with you calling AA a paper champion. I truly don't. I'm wondering why though??? I've read your reason, and it just doesn't fit the bill regarding AA.

Taylor lost his title for not facing Soliman, his mandatory. Who Soliman fought has no relevance here since he was not given a shot by Taylor. There is a top 10 in boxing. Life goes on. You have never called AA a paper champion before. Is your boy Paul Williams a paper champion? I would never think that you would do this on purpose, but it seems you have. Why?

The underlined in your second paragraph...this does not apply to what we are talking about. It may make you feel better about what you're saying, or maybe you are just trying to lessen the impact of calling AA a paper champion. Stick to your guns... Nobody here except you and PAv fans thinks AA is a paper champion. There are too many titles...that I agree with.

 

You PAv fans are the worst lol. You do realize that professional boxers are reading your posts lol. Clueless...lol. I know you don't care about what your posting because you so badly want to restore your boys rep because fans are asking why PAv is not facing AA. You can dis AA's resume, his comp, him being stunned in his last fight lol..etc, but he wants a fight with Pav, and Arum is scared to make the fight. Neither AA or PAv will be a ppv bonanza so I can't see why the fight shouldn't be made. One poster said AA should retire. WTF is that about lol...

 

I've seen it before.

It's as weak an excuse each time it's trotted out.


If the best fight available at MW is foregone because of Pavlik's carer considerations, the public will draw their own conclusions.