Jack Loew: I don't like the Mora fight, Abraham would be easy work.

Alright, alright... I've been busy lately and assumed Simon was a mando. That's pretty damned embarrassing for Abraham to be tested that way against a dude they actually chose. My mistake.

You know your **** in general Boo, especially when it comes to Pavlik and all the details of his negotiations, training, etc. Not going to get into Pavlik trivia, with you, I'd obviously lose.

I respect what Loew means to Youngstown and what he's done for the community, but frankly, I think Pavlik needs someone with a few more wrinkles in their game to come in and at least consult from time to time. Yes, his heavy handed jab and coming straight forward has worked plenty of times. The one time it obviously didn't, Pavlik had no plan B. Loew in particular had nothing at all to offer. That is a problem for him going forward.

To suggest that Mora is more dangerous than Abraham is gamesmanship. I know, I know, you've broken him down on tape and think he's not world class. It doesn't change the fact that he decimated a better version of Miranda than Pavlik did, obviously can crack, and is the clear 1B in the division.

One bad outing doesn't negate an entire career. Pavlik - Abraham is a great fight not just at middleweight, but a great action fight for the sport in general. I'm disappointed to see Pavlik's fans and trainer posing as the ones saying this fight shouldn't happen.

If it's so damned easy, push for it, don't talk about it.

And I'll quit with the "double jab". Just couldn't help myself.

 

He definitely didn't look good against Rubio to say the least.

 

I don't think that was Rubio's plan until he started getting hit. He took a hefty shot in the first. Rubio actually worked Pavlik into position to counter him but couldn't pull the trigger. Fear is a powerful thing to overcome.

 

how can you say that? He could have put Rubio away any round he wanted... they were toying with him. Why do you think Loew kept screaming "STICK TO THE PLAN" Whenever Kelly had him up against the ropes.. Even still, he never lost a round and punished the guy until he quit on his stool. So please stop being ignorant. Just because he didn't have some insane KO he looked bad? Please... Rubio ran from him the whole fight and rarely threw more than 10 meaningful punches in a round for fear of leaving himself open.

 

Calling AA a paper champ is ridiculous, the man is a legit champ.

Last time I checked it was AA trying to get the big fights in the division and the other big names ducking him.

It was like this when Winky priced himself out last year.

It was like this when Sturm turned down 1,5 million offer in 2008 and 2,5 million recently to fight AA.

It is like this when Arum is clealy saying he is not interested in AA for now, despite the pressure the boxing world has been putting on him to make the best fight the MW division has to offer today.

 

It was obvious that his def is still not very good. I can't remember which round it was, but Rubio hit him with some nice and clean punches (which had no effect, because Rubio doesn't punch very hard) and if he gets hit like that by AA I'd like to see what happens. Also I wasn't impressed by his accuracy.

All in all it was not one of his better performances...it was average.

 

People will deny that I am telling the truth, but I know FOR A FACT that when Jack Leow kept saying "stick to the plan" he was telling Kelly not to take Rubio out yet.

Long before Pavlik/Rubio took place I made a thread asking people a question. I asked what Kelly should do with Rubio to stage the most impressive come back after his loss to BHop. One of the most common answers was that KP should box Rubio's ears off for 8-10 rounds and then stop him. KP did exactly that. Rubio started crying and quit on his stool at the end of 9. But now people criticize Pav for doing exactly what a large number of fans said he should do.

The double standard is disgusting. Pavlik ***** slapped the WBC #1 contender into a crying jag, and gets **** for it. Abraham loses 4 rounds to the #43 middleweight, and allows the man to finish on his feet, and we are suppose to believe that LuJaun Simon is the undiscovered jewell of Philladelphia.

 

"You never mind that referee, hit him in the ****in' nuts!"

 

You have got to be shittin' me!!!

Just when I started to think you were alright....:bart

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Get em' Boo....

 

Well, you don't have to share my opinion. As weak as AA's performance was as average was Pavlik's. I think AA's performance was even weaker (against an allegedly weak opponent), but to say that Pav's performance was stellar... :bart

 

Forget the ranking. Do you think that Rubio would win against Simon with the performance he showed against AA last weekend? Simon was not that bad.

 

Honestly I didn't really remember so many details about the situation, but if Soliman relinquished his mandatory position for a bigger money fight then the IBF had to go by their rankings, and if Abraham got his title shot, he got his title shot fair and square, that doesn't change the fact that Abraham fought for his opportunity and he fought someone in the ring for the title which makes him a champion. In other words, that argument doesn't change the point of what I was saying.

I think having one Champion would be the best for boxing, but if the public has recognized four major titles as legitimate world championship titles than whoever fights for the title and wins it is a legitimate champion. Discriminating with made up non-satisfactory theories is silly and not good enough for me. How does paper champion vs paper champion = legitimate champion? I simply don't agree with the logic and I think it is disrespectful and very unfair for the fighter who is doing his best in a very tough business.

I am a Cotto fan, but I would debate this point with anyone who's using it against any fighter, even if all of Cotto's titles were won against reigning champs. When I think I'm being compromised with my bias towards certain fighters I either stay quiet or plain out say it like I have in the past in some topics regarding Felix Trinidad. Maybe you're not trying to degrade fighters, but calling them paper champion is degrading wether that's your intention or not. Back in the day you were Champ if you had the title (it was only one, but that was the requirement), unfortunately now a day we have four and who ever holds one is usually a legit champ unless it is something really out of the ordinary.

I'll try to get to the bottom line one more time...

The goal for every professional boxers (who isn't a big name and has held multiple titles already) is to win a world title. At first it was only one, but now we have four, so we have to deal with it and respect every champion in the sport we love. Whoever fights for a major belt and wins it is a world Champion. Although it adds legitimacy on who you beat to win the title, that's not what makes you Champion, it's the title you fight for, that's what made him champ in the first place and that's what makes you champ. That's why I feel that using the term Paper Champion is unfair for the Champion who's just grasping every or any opportunity he gets. It also leaves him in a lose/lose situation because since he has a title he will never be forced to fight another champ and then if someone beats him (a paper champ) all of a sudden that person gets the credit he never got and deserved even though that fighter only beat a paper champ. That simplified logic doesn't cut it with me, and from the arguments they present it seems that it will never be good enough for me to adopt.

 

Simon had never been in the ring with anyone who was equal to Cuevas or even a shot to **** Zertuche. Rubio beat those guys, and lost a split decision to Ouma who fought a competetive fight with Taylor. So, ya, I'd say Rubio is a more proven fighter, and would most likely beat Simon. Simon's KO ratio is only around 50%, and that's against **** poor competition. It was Pavlik's heavy hands that scared the fight out of Rubio. Simon is feather fisted.

 

AA's grumpy old coach was quite content that his boy had had to go the full route of 12 rounds against Simon.Best thing which could happen he said.
I guess he is totally right in saying that.