Max Schmeling v Larry Holmes

Concrete post. I couldn't agree more

 

Schmeling could probably give Holmes trouble and make him look bad at times, but nothing more than that. Over the long haul, Holmes would have dominated Schmeling and won by a lopsided decision or a late round stoppage. Holmes simply had too many physical advantages over Schmeling, most notably size and speed.

 

Shavers landed several hard shots against Quarry and Cobb and Mercado and Lyle he could punch but he was not a good finisher and gave up when tired. Holmes went down and got up so did many others ( BIG DEAL). You are making it like anyone Earnie hit fell down and died....Stop trying to make him a legend because Ali said he hit hard....Frazier had Ali hurt and down it appeared to me that he hit harder. I love these guys that were proberly 5 yrs old at the time and they know the 70's and 60's boxing so well. You also think Tim Witherspoon was a great fighter with 15 fights LOL......What was his big win that makes you rate him so highly and how impressive was he. .......Now I know why they call you Mr. Magoo....you are Blind

 

Oh boy,

Given your inability to look at a fight ( when the link has been provided for you ), and see weather or not a man hit another fighter inside of a 2 minute time frame, I seriously doubt that you can effectively dicern who is blind and who isn't. I also never said that Tim Witherspoon was a "great" fighter and almost everyone who ever fought Shavers thought that he hit hard - not just Ali...

Do yourself a favor and find something else to comment on. Boxing is not a topic for which you are well versed.

 

You are stuck on an era and you love Holmes, Witherspoon, fine and I never said Shavers could not hit hard just that he failed to get the the job done on several occasions when he stepped up in class and lost and I gave you examples.....but to say Witherspoon and Berbick and Cooney were better fighters than Dokes,Weaver and Thomas and Coetzee and Page at there best when These guys were champions also in the same era shows you are either are a fan that is blind with blind love or knows JACK ****...I am thinking it is a little of both

 

LMAO,

Oh my God what an impeccable douche bag. Your incompetence on this subject matter is embarrasingly transparent Bummy. The next time you engage in a debate with someone, try addressing their points directly instead of flopping all over the place like a fish out of water.....:hi:

 

I always felt you were a Moron, I am now conviced that you are, but you were more then likely 10 yrs old at the time and were a big spiderman fan.....now go jerk off to your Earnie Shavers photo

 

Woa boys calm down. Were all friends here.


I do believe thomas in 1983-84 undefeated EXPERIENCED alpha champion should have been given a unification match against holmes, especially since ring rates thomas ON PAR with holmes that year.

Also no doubt page posed a huge stylistic threat against holmes, something cooney nor berbick had against holmes. holmes knew it, which is why he gave up his belt rather than fight him. does page win? probably not but page wanted that fight badly and he matched up great against larry

 

I for one don't like that kind of talk. The subject is Schmeling vs. Holmes, so their is no need for that kind of language.

I would again pick Holmes all the way. He was bigger, had one of the Greatest left jabs in boxing history, could take a good punch and I also have the ratings of 46 different boxing historians and experts and none of them have Schmeling rated over Holmes.

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A prime Holmes would probably stop a prime Schmeling late in the fight. Styles make fights and Larry would be all wrong for Max. Larry at his best was mobile and employed a consistent hard fast jab, arguably the best ever in the HW division. Louis on the other hand wasn't mobile and although he had a potent jab, he didn't employ it to the degree Holmes did. Louis also fought from a semi crouch while Larry fought tall which combined with his greater mobility would make it much more difficult for Schmeling to find a home for his right hand. As for right hands, Shaver's right hand carried much more power than Schmeling's. Max hit Joe with many right hands before finally stopping him in the 12th while Shavers dropped Holmes like a sack of wheat after getting the crap beat out of him for 6 or 7 rounds. Only Larry's chin and ring savvy prevented the championship from changing hands. If Earnie was as good a boxer as Schmeling and knew how to finish a hurt foe like Max he would've won that fight. That being said I feel that Larry would be too big and fast for Max and would stop him at some point perhaps around the 10th. It's interesting to note that a properly trained and motivated Louis absolutely demolished Max in thier rematch. That's not a rap on Schmeling but it does put things in perspective regarding thier 1st match which I believe Joe was overconfident and not properly trained for.

 

Max really is getting undersold here in this matchup, but I do wonder just how much film the people who are dissmissing Max`s chances vs Holmes have seen of the man outside the Louis fights and a few scattered HL here and there. I have more footage on Max then most folks here I`m sure, and after watching several Max Schmelling fights over the last few days and really paying close attention to the man and the nuances of his style I have to say this guy is a much better fighter than I ever gave him credit for.

His right hand was one of the sneakiest and most dangerous weapons the heavyweight division has ever seen, he really knew how to set his man up for it with some rather clever footwork and ring generalship. Not to mention the way he would duck out of the way of an incoming right hand only to follow thru with a counter right on the way up, he clobbered Steve Hamas with this punch repeatedly towards the end of their bout. Max`s short right uppercut on the inside was also a potent weapon in his arsenal when in close, he knew how to position his feet and body to get maximum leverage into those uppercuts and they were damaging to say the least.

My only real complaint is his habit to paw with the left jab and use it as a range finder instead of as a weapon in and of itself, had he done so he would have been an even more dangerous opponent to deal with. Honestly I can see Max giving a lot of good heavyweights a hard time, Larry Holmes for example comes to mind immediately, his susceptability to the right hand makes him a prime candidate to be upset by Max imo.

Now keep in mind that when I say upset I do not mean to imply KOed, but I don`t think it is out of the realm of possibility that heir Max can topple Larry via the points route. Holmes mobility and fine jab will serve him well, but as a pointed out Max was so damn adept at countering a jab with that right hand and make no mistake, Schmelling was a heavy handed guy, this man could REALLY whack with the right hand and if he nailed Larry with a good one on the chin he would go down or shook to his boots at the very least.

And unlike a Shavers or Snipes Schmelling knew how to close the show but he would not do so recklessly wading in with punches left and right, Max would look to pick his spots and land the heavy and more importantly accurate punches necessary to put a hurt man down and out. Now with all that said I don`t favour Max to win had they met, Larry`s best is still better than Max`s best when all is said and done, but with the right gameplan and a little bit of luck Max may well have surprised us imo.

 

Solid post ,it must be remembered that,along with Louis buckling down to training and forsaking the golf course for the fight , that Max was a bit past his prime by then .

 

Great post. Schmeling is not beating Holmes.

 

everyone's entitled to their owm opinion but look at the facts. Holmes was about 212 in his prime, louis about 190-195. Holmes was 6'3 to louis 6'1. Holmes reach was 80 inches, louis was 76.

Also take into consideration that billy conn giving louis a boxing lesson and would have won had he not foolishly decided to try to knock him out. Holmes was way better than conn and would have tko'd louis

 

Thanks for showing Schmeling some support. I find Schmeling is consistently downgraded on this forum, especially head 2 head.