Leonard (of Hearns) vs Hagler (of Hearns)

Well a one fight in 5 years rusted past his prime SRL beat long reigning champ Hagler, so I think this is a close fight prime for prime despite size diff

 

That is true. Ray was looking for some weakness in Hagler which he could exploit. My take is that his style was great against Marvin. Marvin could not move lateral well at all, and usually he did not have to. Hearns could have boxed but Tommy decided to slug. But Tommy could have done ok boxing.

 

Hagler doesnt have to be in his prime. He could be past his prime and stop Ray but he cant be shot and expect to do it. Believe me, Ray Leonard is not at all hard to put on the canvas. Don't believe me? Even the dwarfish Kevin Howard put him there. Whether he boxes or not, there is no way Leonard is going to hear the final bell unless Hagler goes easy on him.

I'm with Robbi; this fight is defintely not for him.

 

Indeed. And Walker was doing pretty good until Greb kicked into gear and overwhelmed Walker down the stretch. That Greb must have really been something to behold. Cause Walker was damn good.

 

If Leonard was up against a slow handed, ponderous, middleweight who had limited abilitiy, then he'd stand a decent chance with his extremely quick hands and ring generalship. When it comes to speed and smartness, Leonard is up there with the best of them. But Hagler was one of the best balanced fighters across the board in his prime. His speed, accuracy, ability to switch stance, power, and also his strength inside are too much for a welterweight Leonard. I can't see Leonard lasting the distance. It's an unfair match-up.

 

Hearns was knocking over all the welterweights like skittles, and he couldn't put Leonard on the canvas. Duran had very decent power at welterweight, he couldn't do it either. He dropped Palamino twice and managed to drop a full blown middleweight, Iran Barkley. The best Hagler could do to Leonard was wobble him. Although a prime Hagler would probably do it, considering he's up against a physically smaller Leonard with this thread question.

Terry Norris, he's a fighter who was easily put down.

 

Leonard's speed would be superior to, and a problem for, Hagler at any time.

I don't think that Hagler was shot when they met, but he was past his best. I also feel that Leonard would have been a better fighter several years earlier.

I envision a very similar fight as their actual counter. Leonard's speed, combination punching, and movement would be problematic. Hagler's pressure was getting to Leonard in their fight, and sometimes made you feel like it could be just a matter of time before the fight would end inside the distance.

I would expect the fight to be even arount rounds 8-10. This is where I think Hagler would begin to take over. I think Haglr would be slightly ahead after 12, and have doubts Leonard would last much longer.

Hagler tko 13

 

Twice

 

Longhorn, not only did Norris put him down but the diminuitive Kevin Howard also and Leonard was only 27 yrs. These fans of his are running out of excuses arent they?

Yet Robbi says the best Hagler could do is wobble him. I dont know where he got that idea from but it is clear that he is woefully mistaken. Even a well placed jab from Marvin would take the heart from Leonard. A right hook to the temple would have him seeing stars galore and a trip to the canvas would be most certain.

Just look at what occured in the Norris fight. Once hurt, Leonard could not ignore the effects of those shots and proceed fighting his fight as tho nothing happened.

I was trying to avoid spelling this out but it looks like Robbi forced it out of me.

 

The best Hagler could do was wobble him.

Read again.

"The best Hagler could do to Leonard was wobble him. Although a prime Hagler would probably do it, considering he's up against a physically smaller Leonard with this thread question"

 

He'd do alot more than just wobble him. Leonard is no threat to Hagler.

 

Are you stupid? Because you're certainly acting that way. I'll try again.

"Hearns was knocking over all the welterweights like skittles, and he couldn't put Leonard on the canvas. Duran had very decent power at welterweight, he couldn't do it either. He dropped Palamino twice and managed to drop a full blown middleweight, Iran Barkley. The best Hagler could do to Leonard was wobble him. Although a prime Hagler would probably do it, considering he's up against a physically smaller Leonard with this thread question"


Just to explain the above to you. I said that best Hagler could do to Leonard was wobble him. When they actually fought, thats the best he done. But when I said "he could do it" (flooring Leonard), considering he's up against a smaller Leonard and Hagler would be in his prime.

This was a follow up to your post about Leonard, in your opinion, being easily knocked down.

 

Rooster. Read my post "Today, 12:23 AM" above. Read your post I quoted on, and my follow up. Then everything will make sense.