Hector Camacho .Vs. Pernel Whitaker @ 135.

Who can forget De La Hoya beating the hell of of a prime Camacho for 12 rounds. Comical viewing. Camacho was still in his prime, make no mistake about that. Shot and past prime fighters don't move the way he did that night. He was constantly on the move around the perimeter of the ring like a demon. His legs were strong and carried him the full 12 rounds. He clearly showed the signs of a fighter at his best. Exactly the same as Leonard was in his prime against Norris. :good

 

Yeah he just hadn't seen that type of speed before. Hector was okay against the likes of Ramirez, Limon, Baltazar, but when he confronted the speed demon that was De la Hoya, he just didn't know what to do. Kinda like Leonard had faced the speed of Hearns and Benitez, but had no answer for his holy terribleness.

 

When was this? I dont see combinations, any footwork. I recall the Camacho of 91-97 as a plodding, stationary, punching bag. Watch the Chavez fight, the Duran fight, even the Leonard fight; it looks like he's got lead in his boxing shoes.

 

Hector had Pea's talent but not his intelligence. Hector was fast but Pea had timing. Hector had reflexes but Pea had skills. Peas jab is too much.

 

that's a copout explanation if I ever saw one. You cant prove one fighter is more intelligent than the other. On top of that you state Pea had skills but Camacho is lacking them along with a jab.

Achillesthegreat-plain dumb as always

 

Call me what you want, It doesn't make Hector great or anything close. Hector still was overrated and in my mind not worthy of any ATG consideration. How is he top 75? by beating whom? Ramirez? Mancini beat him. Where does Mancini go to you? And then he beat Ray in 1989 after Ray was inactive 4 years. Hector was easily beaten by Chavez and Tito. He even lost to Haugen. Delahoya outclassed him. The requirements for being ATG have gone way down. Hector was amusing with his attitude but his boxing accomplishments are not ATG. His antics were not his skills. How can he be rated in the top 100? The guy was a joke. He had all the talent to be great and he blew it. Talent does not equal ATG.

 

What would Roger Mayweather have done to the three guys like Mancini, Haugen and Pazienza. The same thing he did to Vinny. Rosario he barely squeaked by and Ramirez was ok but not really a great fighter. Hector was a joke and wasted good talent. He was all mouth. Sort of like Floyd. The great fighters are guys like Chavez or Hagler who fought them all and took on all challenges.

 

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I'm still having trouble making up my mind on this. I see one of each fighters strengths being that they were southpaws. Many orthodox fighters have trouble with that and for the southpaw it is his 'usual' thing to face a righty. Here BOTH guys lose that... Can anyone tell me which of these two were better against southpaws? That might help me come to a decision.

Like anyone listens to me! :hey

 

Hector Camacho was not the same fighter against Chavez and was totally shot against De La Hoya. You can't compare those fight's with the Camacho of 1983-1986.

 

If you do not know how a skilled boxer can counter a faster man then you really dont understand boxing.

 

pernell whittaker beat mayweather who in reports was beating camacho in sparring before the fight just to let yous know

 

I still havent seen it pulled off successfully. During the prime of Jones and Norris, no man had ever outboxed either. It takes a bomber to deal with a slickster and Pernell doesnt fit that description.

 

A slickster can't beat another slickster? I think Camacho would need to be the bomber against Whitaker.

 

Sweat pea would win,

Camacho would try to dart in and out, but Pea would see it coming a mile away, and counter. If Camacho tried to force the action (not his game), he would be outworked/beat on the inside by Pea, and dis- engage. This would go for ethier 12 or 15.

It would be basically Camacho trying to peck at Pernell unsuccessfully from the outside, while being countered. Pea is not Haugen, Limon, Edwards etc.

I say maybe 8-4 in a 12 rounder, 9-6 or 10-5 in a 15, for Pea. No knockdowns.