If Hatton beats manny pacquiao does he surpass Calzaghe in the British ATG rankings?

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Clearly, imo.
     
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  2. JonOli

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    Maybe in your eyes, but not in the bookies which tend to reflect general consensus.

    Joe was favourite in absolutely everyone of his fights bar Lacy.

    He was a clear favourite at 1/2 I think to beat that version of Hopkins - he may have been shorter.

    I'm not sure if being favourite or not is entirely relevant to the discussion though.
     
    JonOli, Mar 18, 2009
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  3. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes it's just the Lacy fight where he wasn't favourite. The Kessler fight was almost 50/50 but he was a slight favourite with the bookies.

    Calzaghe's resume is great than Hatton's though.

    The likes of Woodhall, Brewer, Sheika, Mitchell are clearly better than the ones Hatton was beating up back in the WBU days.
     
    toffeejack, Mar 18, 2009
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  4. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal

    In all seriousness Jeff gave a good summing up of how he feels on Calzaghe a few months ago and I thought it was fair. But he does tend to slip into hater mode all too often :lol:
     
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  5. Rebel-INS

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    I think people are forgetting Hatton is a natural LWW, and Pacman is fighting about 2 weights above his best weight.
    IMO if Hatton loses his legacy is ****ed.
     
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  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    How much of a favourite do you make Hatton then in percentage terms, and can I place a bet on Manny Pacquiao with you at the resultant odds?
     
    Cobbler, Mar 18, 2009
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  7. Rebel-INS

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    I actually believe its a fairly even fight with Pac being my slight favourite. I don't particularly rate Hatton at all.
     
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  8. JonOli

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    You can just as easily say Hopkins is a career/natural middle weight, if you wanted.

    Who did Hopkins ever beat that wasn't a middle weight or below?

    Answer: just one = Tarver - draining off the the back of Rocky movie which he had to put on loads of weight for the part. The same Tarver who Dawson annihilated too. I think I would fancy Dawson to beat Hopkins now at LH.

    Is that one win (Hopkins over Tarver) greater than Pacs over Diaz at 135 and/or Oscar at 147? JMM is now the no1 guy at 135 after beating the hottest property there in J Diaz. These guys can clearly mix it at and around the weight.

    Pac is actually coming down in weight to fight Hatton, believe it or not.

    You are right though, a win over Pac will always be tainted (in some ways - by some) because he's, on the whole, coming up from smaller weights, but lets not forget that Joe's best win (imo) against Hopkins has lots of mitigating factors as well (age, 2 recent losses etc).

    I think a win over this version of Pac at 140, p4p no1, comeing off the Oscar win at 147 - is possibly greater then one over the version of Hopkins Joe fought at 175. I'm not entirly sure though.
     
    JonOli, Mar 18, 2009
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  9. MaliSlamusrex

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    I would put them equal.
     
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  10. Cobbler

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    Explain how losing a fight to which he goes in as slight underdog would '**** Hatton's legacy'?
     
    Cobbler, Mar 18, 2009
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  11. Rebel-INS

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    He would be losing to a natural SFW at his prime weight at probably his prime age. Hatton always blames the loss to Floyd on the fight being at 147.
    I myself think it would be a very good win for Hatton, but whichever way it goes there'll be excuses for either result which won't be favourable for Hatton IMO.
     
    Rebel-INS, Mar 18, 2009
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  12. JonOli

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    You're right, it would.
     
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  13. LeadLeftHook

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    I think Hatton is already close to or has surpassed Calzaghe. Calzaghes only claim to greatness is beating old shot fighters.
     
    LeadLeftHook, Mar 18, 2009
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  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Jesus christ honestly.....


    Ricky Hatton is not a better fighter than Joe Calzaghe and never will be !

    He can beat Manny Pac and then JMM, but you only have to watch Ricky and then watch Joe to know whos the better fighter.

    This resume crap is bull****.
     
    yesihavearm2, Mar 18, 2009
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  15. JonOli

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    You're only as good as your opponent lets you look.
     
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