Irish Boxing

This may have been a bad day for Dunne, Wait until the Weigh in and we'll see how he look's then.
Also it could be worse, it could be Vasquez, Marquez or Juan Manuel Lopez Dunne's fighting but it's not it's some kid from Panama who's away record is 2 draw's and a loss, and one more thing stay positive and Believe, let's go in there and give Bernard the full backing he needs without conceding defeat before he's even stepped in the ring. and if all that fails take Slapbangwallop's advice.

Hope this helps.

 

Considering this bad news, how long will Dunne have to hydrate and regain essential nutrients ?

Basically what I'm asking is can anyone give a good time of when Dunne himself will have to weigh in Friday and what time he'll have to fight Saturday ?


What I do know is Joe Calzaghe has looked like death before some of his fights before, but then again punch resistance was less of a conern to him and although dehydration causes all round lethargy, punch resistance is one of the main factors for boxers.

You can see how badly Miguel Cotto was effected during his final few fights at 140 lbs.

 

If my memory serves me (which it often doesn't) I think I heard the weigh in was at 2pm Friday and the fight is due to start at 10:45 on Saturday

 

I'm with ninebar on this one, plus I didn't think Bernard looked that bad on the TV tonight. I interviewed him after the weigh-in of the Kiko fight in 2007 (Jesus, is it that long ago?), and he looked weight-drained that day. I was worried then that he looked so gaunt. Believe me, he looks much better than that August afternoon.

Bernard Dunne, to me, can hang with the best super-bantams in the world when it comes to ability. If his stamina holds up, and it is a big ask, then he can win this fight.

Social scientists may disagree, but there is no doubt in my mind that 9,000 fans screaming for Bernard to do it can make that 1% difference that he may need to put him over the top.

The interview I did before the Kiko Martinez fight went to the bin because no paper or website would take it after he lost. However, there is significant deference towards his supporters in it. He feeds off us; he need us. To win. Hell, even to survive when things get tough.

Here's an excerpt of that interview:

Interview: Bernard Dunne

By Padraig Hoare

Bernard Dunne leans forward for the first time in our chat; his eyes come to life, his body animated. It’s the day before the fight against Spain’s Kiko Martinez - he’s replenishing after the weigh-in and he is meant to be relaxing.
But the 27-year old from Neilstown, Dublin can’t help himself; one mention of his relationship with the Irish public and he’s off:
“Jaysus, that buzz when I walk out before the fight. There is no other feeling like it. I don’t know the English dictionary well enough to do it justice. It’s ****in’ unbelievable.
“I have kids aged four and five recognising me on the street, saying: “Look mam, it‘s Bernard Dunne.” You wouldn’t even think they would know what boxing is - that is such a buzz.
“I had a grandmother of about 80, a real lady, asking me to sign a book in Eason’s bookshop the other day. She was such a sweetheart - it’s a pleasure to think I can affect people in all walks of life.
“How can any fella in sport say he doesn’t enjoy such adulation? The best one I heard was off my aunt’s neighbour. He’s Red Cross and just before my fight against Esham Pickering started in The Point, a lad fell off the balcony.
“He was all strapped in ready to go to hospital when he came to. When he heard he was on his way to the emergency room he leapt up and ripped off all the medical gear. There was no way he was missing the fight. Jaysus, I thought that was brilliant.”
The super-bantamweight champion of Europe has a bond with the Irish public that transcends boxing - he’s one of them who worked hard, paid his dues and got the breaks. And he is adamant he will never turn anyone away who wants to pay respect.
“Why knock people coming up to ya? Eventually it’ll be gone and then what? I love it, absolutely love it.
“It takes five seconds to shake a hand or take a photo. For Christ’s sake, it takes ten minutes to tell someone to **** off and have an argument with them about it.
“Now, I understand it gets a bit intense with the likes of Beckham and that, but as long as people show a bit of common sense, which Irish people always do, then I will always oblige them.


Lads, we owe it to boxing in Ireland to rid ourselves of all doubt on Saturday. Positive energy all the way. With 9,000 of us feeding him, I'll say it again, Bernard Dunne can win this fight. We'll all have played our part.

Turn those frowns upside down, people. I remember Millstreet in 1993 when a glorified mucksavage beat the **** out of the classiest boxer in the business. Steve Collins beating Chris Eubank, who'd a thunk it?

Cordoba is no Eubank, folks.

Call it tub-thumping, blind loyalty, stupidity, whatever. Come Sunday morning, I know we'll be telling anyone that listens: "We shocked the world!!!"

Dunne to win, and to win with the best performance of his life.

 

Well that's news in a way for Bernard as 33 hours is meant to be the maximum length allowed between weigh-in and fight(although this is sometimes exceeded without sanction) by the WBA I think. I went to check their site and they're selling their domain name, so I checked the WBC and they have 30 hours. I think I remember one of the sanctioning bodies being 33 so maybe I got that from the WBC.

Anyway they should get Bernard to weigh in first and also try and prolong the start of the fight for a bit, say till 23:15. If he really is that bad then every hour counts and he'll need as much time as he can get.


I reckon the struggle with the weight will probably be due to increased muscle mass from working with the strength and conditioning coaches.
Hopefully he's on the weight already because if he's that bad and has more weight to lose he's really in trouble.



Edit: well hearing he looked better than the Martinez fight is comforting to hear, I guess we won't know whether the specialists have gotten it all right or all wrong till the night. But I will say again that Peters has done a good job getting the maximum amount of time between fight and weigh in as he could. Cordoba won't be near tight at the weight, Dunne obviously is, so that's a major plus for Bernard.

 

Thats it to my recollection. Basically puts it right at the threshold of around 33 hours. Also that is what makes me think my memory might be right about this one.

Its a decent time to get stuff done but I am believer that the real effects are decided prior to the pre-fight, post weigh in 'binge'.

For the record, since its fairly subjective and open to debate, as well as varying from fighter to fighter, how much extra pop do you think McGurn could actually add to Bernards punch power if he has gotten everything spot on? 10%? 30% ?

Does anyone think that there is a chance that he might have even enough extra pop to make Cordoba think twice about coming to him (not Cordobas style I know but 'if' he did decide to jump on him)

 

Jesus guys talk about the voices of doom:rofl
This is definetly the best chance Dunne will ever have of winning a world title.The guy doesnt travel great and probably is the best of a bad lot to fight as far as the super bantam champs go and more important its in Dublin for christ sake.
Saturday is going to be great for sport in this island start believing and get ready to celebrate. :good

 

That's the ****ing spirit, Great post:good

No one's backing Dunne, the pressure is off, Let's ****ing party:bbb

 

I think you are stretching it a bit saying that he doesn't travel well. Losing a split in Thailand and drawing twice against Siderenko in Germany hardly makes him a lame duck on his travels.

Believe me there would be no happier man than if Bernard pulls this off and he'll have my full support. I just don't feel good about this because of his apparently poor condition at the minute. I've lost no faith in the man himself.

maybe I'm miles off and he'll be grand come fight night and the 30 odd hours will make him brand new but my gut feeling is that it won't

 

I don't know if you could put a % on it but I think if he's got things right he could certainly make a significant impact on punch power and also general strength, which if of course not just impacts who can bully the other fighter back, tie up when they need to etc, but also who will tire greater from those clinches. The stronger man will likely use less energy in a clinch.


Bernard has decent power(at European level anyway) in his left hook, but not with really any other punch. If Dunne's punch power has increased quite a bit it is conceivable that he could punch hard enough to make Cordoba think twice before jumping on him(which isn't his style anyway).
If you're cute enough the left hook can be a very effective punch against southpaws, every bit as much as the traditional straight right.


I have to laugh at some of the stuff people are saying about Cordoba being bad at travelling away from home though. Okay he's 0-1-2 outside Thailand but look at the opposition and he was fighting in places which are notorious for bad decisions. With that said I've heard he deserved the Poonsawat loss, even though it was a split and he should be 1-1 with Sidorenko who's pretty decent.

Can anyone tell me what the size difference is looking like ?, I'm expecting Bernard to be a little bit bigger but not massively so.

 

One interesting thing in this one is the weight difference Kelly boxes around 140 to 142 whilst his opponent Morozos has weighed on average 130 lbs for his two contests. Against a pressure fighter like Kelly who likes to control his opponents this is way too much to be giving away i dont care if you are 10 years younger..

 

the lad he fought in boston last week weighed in at 160 danny weighed in at 141

apparently this lad dropped 13lbs

imo he didnt drop any weight but danny just had too much skill for him.

I suppose he was brought in late

 

looking forward to seeing andy murray, who i like the look of a lot..
does he make the lightweight limit ok ??