Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali who do you rank higher?

I feel picking Louis over Ali is one of the most outrageous picks that could ever be called. How does flat footed Louis outbox Muhammad Ali, and as hard hitting as Joe was, how does he knockout Ali when Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and Liston couldn't? I just don't see any way.

 

I have Louis at 1.

 

If Norton could time and counter Ali's jab then Louis would have no problems plus his jab is as good if not better and a far better in fighter. Plus he is a far better finisher then the likes of Foreman, Lyle and Shavers. See its not as easy as you made it sound.

Not to say that anyone of them is a clear favourite but to claim it is outrageous to pick Louis over Ali shows a lack of knowledge.

 

Selfkill, i dont think the topic is too much about a h2h confrontation, though by the way you are likely right about what you said.

Minotauro, Louis was immense, immense, but the comparison with Norton is off for me. Norton was an awkward customer for Ali, the way he came forward would be more Marciano than Louis in my opinion (just to express how different they are there).

 

I was just using Norton because he was talking about Shavers, Foreman etc who are nothing like Louis to show the logic of his arguemnt.

 

The fact you have to bring up a fight that didn't happen at Ali's peak is a testament to how good prime Ali was.

Not a lack of knowledge, I just don't feel any obligation to back the old timer. He was a great fighter in his day, when he was fighting smaller Heavyweights, but he didn't have the power or boxing ability to outbox Ali or knock him out. I think Louis either gets decisioned in a lopsided fight, or gets stopped late.

And Teeto, I realize that, I just wanted to add that in because someone earlier picked Louis to stop Ali. Peak Ali, not the one who fought Norton. I just don't see any way of justifying that.

 

The logic of my arguement was, if Ali can takes Shavers, Lyle, Foremans, and Fraziers best shots, then he can take Louis' shots also. There is no indication, whatsoever, to suggest that Joe Louis would be favored to stop Ali. Likewise, as good as Joe's jab was, there is no indication to suggest he could beat Ali on the outside, something he would have to be capable of doing against PEAK Ali (I say again, NOT the Ali of Norton).

 

Oh, my bad there mate!

 

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Does anyone have enough confidence in Louis to dominate the 60's and 70's in a similar manner that he did the 30's and 40's?

 

Just my honest opinion.

When I see people picking Louis to stop Ali, my immediate thought is "That's silly". I can't comprehend Ali getting ********* by any version of Louis, who needed to get set to throw his combination's, and for his power to come into play. I don't see him getting set against Ali, and even in the event he catches Ali, Muhammad would have taken it as we have seen him do, time and time again. I'm sorry if i seemed dismissive, people seem quite sensitive with that on here, but I don't envision a victory for Louis in this fight.

 

Not to mention Ali has the greater resume of the two. Possibly top 5 all-time.

 

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I vote for Ali and here's one of my reasons:

Just match up Ali's opponents with Louis's that they beat.

I have my picks in BOLD

1. Foreman 40-0-0 vs. Max Baer 50-6-0
2. Frazier 30-1-0 & 32-2-0 vs. Schmeling 52-7-4
3. Liston 35-1-0 & 35-2-0 vs. Braddock 50-25-7
4. Norton 30-1-0 & 37-3-0 vs. Walcott 44-11-2 & 44-12-2 Pick-Em
5. Patterson 43-4-0 & 55-7-1 vs. Conn 59-10-1 & 62-11-1
6. Quarry 37-4-4 & 43-5-4 vs. Nova 26-2-4
7. Bonavena 46-6-1 vs. Galento 76-23-5
8. Ellis 30-6-0 vs. Sharkey 38-13-3
9. Folley 74-7-4 vs. Farr 66-20-13 Pick-Em
10. Terrell 38-4-0 vs. Carnera 82-7-0
11. Chuvalo 34-11-2 & 66-17-2 vs. Godoy 53-8-7 & 53-9-7
12. Lyle 30-2-1 vs. Simon 34-7-0
13. Shavers 54-5-1 vs. Buddy Baer 50-5-0 & 50-6-0
14. Bugner 43-4-1 & 51-6-1 vs.
15. Bob Foster 49-5-0 vs.
16. Mac Foster 28-1-0 vs.
17. Mildenberger 49-2-3
18. Moore 184-22-11
19. Young 17-4-2
20. Williams 65-5-1
21. Jones 21-3-1
22. Cooper 27-8-1 & 33-11-1
23. L. Spinks 7-0-1[FONT=&quot]

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