Emile Griffith - setting the record straight on his close fights

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Of course. Reading about them is fairly enjoyable. :yep
     
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  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting...

    To me it didn't seem that one sided, certainly not on a round by round basis, but Tiger did do more damage in the later rounds whereas Griffith, if he was winning the early ones, was doing so by slighter margins so I can understand the call that it was a bad duke. Tiger sweeping all the late rounds probably helped in giving that impression.

    As an aside, I just watched the first Griffith-Benvenuti fight which was an excellent display of boxing by Benvenuti. Crisp counter punching all night long and didn't allow Griffith to establish anything when he got in range to do damage. He set the tempo from early on, when a short sharp left half hook/uppercut sent Griffith to the canvas. Griffith's best moment was the fourth where he landed an overhand right that sent Benvenuti to the canvas and had him all wobbly. Nino recovered and boxed beautifully to take the fight from from Emile. He was doing it quite easily on my card (had it 125-121 from the 13 rounds I watched - my copy didn't have rounds 11 and 12).

    Any chance that you know how the 11th and 12th rounds were scored mate? In any case, it was academic to the winner on my card.

    Rounds 1,2,5,6,7,13,14 and 15 for Nino. Rounds 3,4,8 and 9 for Emile. Round 10 even.
     
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  3. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Not by the judges mate, but The Ring gave them to Nino. He well won that fight, easily outboxed and outsmarted Grifiith. The Ring's staff scored accordingly:

    Nat Fleischer: 9-5-1, Nat Loubet: 10-5, Dan Daniel: 10-5, George Girsch: 10-5, Johnny Ort: 9-6. All for NB of course.
     
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  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sad to bump your own threads but oh well... why not.

    Continuing my de-mythologisation of Emile Griffith :D, just adding my card here for Griffith-Rodriguez III:

    146-140 for Rodriguez.

    I had Griffith winning rounds 2,3,5 and 9. I had Rodriguez winning rounds 1,4,6,7,8,10,11,12,13 and 14. I had round 15 even.
     
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  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    where did you get a copy of it
     
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  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you want to get a copy with 7 of the 15 rounds (what I have) you can get it from knockoutprom.com.

    The remainder of the rounds I saw from youtube.

    RB has the fight complete, but he's promised a friend not to trade it to anybody, so it's a no go zone there.
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    cheers mate ill have a look at it
     
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  8. Woller

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    I just scored the fight too. The decision is awful. I have it Rodriguez 11 to 3 with one even. I have marked two rounds for Rodriguez with a ? mark. Even giving those two plus the even round to Griffith, my card would still read 9-6 Rodriguez. Or 144-141 by todays scoring. ( S_S we agree on giving Griffith rounds 2,3 and 5, and almost the rest to Rodriguez.)

    Woller
     
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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, a pretty straight forward fight to score isn't it Wol? This was definitely a robbery. Beautiful boxing from Luis on the whole. His flurries to the body were too much.
     
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  10. My2Sense

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    I don't agree that it was an outright "robbery". I thought Griffith got off to a pretty good lead over the first 5 or 6 rounds, and also may have pulled out the last couple of rounds as well. Rodriguez looked very good in the middle rounds, but by the end I felt it was a very close fight.


    As for Tiger-Griffith, I always thought that was a very questionable decision. Except for the 9th round when he scored some legitimate big punches and floored Tiger, I felt Griffith just ran away and threw flicking jabs at Tiger's gloves, none of which really landed. I thought Tiger controlled most of the fight with his pressure and steady body attack. He had Griffith looking very tentative, almost gun-shy about being countered to the body.
     
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  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On other fights...

    Griffith-Archer I
    I thought this fight possibly could've gone either way, perhaps a slight edge going to Griffith. Archer looked good over the second half of the fight, but he allowed Griff to hustle him around too much over the first half.

    Archer II
    Close but clear win for Griff, roughly 9 rounds to 6. Tough fight all the way, but Griff pounded him down the stretch to secure the win.

    Rodriguez II
    Close, hard fight to score, but Rodriguez being the busier man at key moments in the fight, I feel he probably deserved it.

    Paret II
    ****ing worst fight ever, makes my eyes bleed. I've probably tried to watch and score it about 5 or 6 times, and just can't do it. I usually get about 5 rounds in, and everything just becomes a blur. No one deserved to win that ****.

    Benvenuti I
    Clear win for Benvenuti, at least 9 rounds to 6, maybe 10-5.

    Benvenuti II
    Clear win for Griffith by the same margin as above.

    Benvenuti III
    Close fight perhaps, but Benvenuti busier throughout, and Griffith not able to get off enough. Probably the first indication of Griffith's decline.

    Monzon II
    Have to watch this one again. Griffith was the aggressor and the harder puncher, but I felt he wasn't really landing cleanly much. Monzon's punches looked like ****, but he kept throwing, and from memory he finished the stronger. I believe I had Griffith slightly ahead about two-thirds through, then thought Monzon pulled it out.

    Ortega I
    Clear win for Griffith, probably about 7 rounds to 3. Don't know how the hell this got to be a split decision.
     
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  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    M2S, I just don't see the argument for Griffith winning more rounds than Rodriguez, none at all. Even if if you think he got off to a good start and finished strong, there's no way he won more rounds than Rodriguez or even the same amount, or even arguably the same amount. To believe that you've got to be giving Griffith points for simply walking forward, which I'm sure the judges did, and which I'm sure is utterly wrong headed. Effective aggression? Hardly any from Griffith. He walked into a whirlwind of activity and got slapped around.
     
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  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This fight wasn't close at all if we're scoring it round by round. Close rounds, but Rodriguez nearly always had an edge. Again, depends how you see the aggression of Griffith though. I don't give points to guys that walk forward and get slapped around.

    Disagree as well.

    96-95 Ortega. Griffith taking rounds 3,5,7 and 9. Ortega taking rounds 2,4,6,8 and 10. Round 1 being even.
     
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  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Extremely interesting thread. Thanks, SS.
     
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  15. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Those first two Griffith paret fights are indeed appalling.

    Paret's fight with Don Jordan may have been even worse.
     
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