King Kong Agbeko beats Vic Darchinyan!

because he got KO'd by donaire...i have him at 11th with marquez and vazquez still in my top 10

 

If he wants to be regarded as a great fighter, he's going to have to leave home.

The true test of the ability of an overseas fighter is the capacity to win fights consistently in North America.

There are very few fighters who can make that claim over the last 20 years. Those that can are quality.

I don't think the Jap (okay, okay Hasegawa - and yes I had to look that up) has achieved anything of significance thus far in his career.

If he wants recognition, he needs to follow Pacman or Chris John's lead.

 

Now you're talking sense, Boner.

Vic is on a great run. I hope he beats Agbeko because if he does I reckon he will move straight on to Izzy Vazquez.

I don't think he'll waste time trying to unify 118 when he can get considerably more for a fight with Izzy.

Best not to look past Agbeko though.

 

I think thats crap.

No matter where he is doing the winning, if he is winning and emphatically against top notch opponants, then why does it matter.

America is a crowded market...you lose you get dropped like a sack of **** more often then not, even if you win it can be hard getting good fights. Winning to well can see you avoided.
Jeff Fenech forged an all time great career in his own backyard, the first time he fights in the States he gets robbed blind.
Plenty of Japanese fighters have forged careers in a similar fashion. They rarely ventured out of their countries because they had the coin to bring over anyone who wanted a go.

Hozumi beat Sahaprom..one of the best bantamweights around when he beat him, criminally underrated for many years..At one point, probably fairly briefly though, I thought Veeraphol was the no1 at the weight.

Garcia had a KO win of Raf Marqez.

Malinga and Valdez were thought of as very good emerging prospects and Hasegawa raped them.

The common thing about all of those opponants is not one was Japanese...Hozumi has proven himself against good opponants not only from North America but around the world.

Great fighters dont always have to leave home, they just have to consistently beat good fighters. Thus far Hozumi is doing alright for himself.

 

this is a good fight and good on showtime and gary shaw to make this fight.

 

Jeff Fenech has always said that his greatest regret was not going over to North America to fight earlier in his career. By the time he did go over, he was past it.

Like it or not, North America is the big show in professional boxing. Being able to win fights consistently there is the ultimate achievement for a professional boxer from the other side of the world.

It's very difficult to do which is why so few fighters have ever done it successfully.

If you can't appreciate the difference between winning fights in front of an adoring home crowd and winning fights under the bright lights of Las Vegas or in front of a crowd full of blood thirsty Mexicans in Southern California, then that's your problem.

Only the very best are capable of performing in the latter environments. Something I don't think Hasegawa will ever prove himself to be.

 

Vic is good for boxing.

 

Damn straight.

There are 50-plus posts on this thread.

None makes more sense than that.

 

^ STFU and put down the pon pons.

Cheerleading asslicker.

 

hope vic doesn't underestimate agbeko and treat it as a small tune up fight. if he doesn't i got vic by ko 5

 

Fenech also said he regretted ever going over there, that Green made a mistake going there to train when he had a perfectly good camp in oz, that "like him" you dont need to go to America to have a good career..You know what Jeff is like he frankly is full of **** a lot of the time.

You are putting far to emphasis on venue, when the quality opponant is clearly the most important thing.

The same can be said of fighting in front of 40 000 spitting and cursing fans (thats what Hussy Hussein said it was like) in Thailand or fighting in front of a 50 million T.V audience like Koki Kameda reportedly has in Japan. In the end its still just a building holding a ring with two men in it...these guys are professionals, most of the time they learn how to deal with that ****.


King and Arum are regularly losing purse bids to overseas promoters...so the money is not all in America. Hozumi especially is at that level where any major American promoter would not put up even half the money Teiken could for a fight involving him.

In the past you were right, to a point you are still right. But the markets in Japan and Germany have shown you can be very popular, fighting in front of huge live and T.V audiences for very good money...and at the same time not be in America..Thats just a fact of life these days.

 

You mean pom, poms.

Dude, according to you every fighter in the world north of junior flyweight could beat Vic but only one ever has.

I think you are a person of low level intelligence with no idea.

You are however a genuine boxing fan & are entitled to your opinion.

Carry on.

 

It was a typo.. LOw level intelligence my ass homey.. Im a USC trojan and a member of the Ivy league boxing forum...

Are you a member of the Ivy League forum? I thought so.. :bart

And i don't pick everyone against Vic....

 

I think we've reached a stalemate in our debate. As far as I'm concerned, venue is critically important.

Perhaps if you'd ever attended big fights in Las Vegas or in Southern California you might have a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

A Southern California fight crowd full of blood thirsty Mexicans makes a fight crowd in Australia look like a Mary Poppins concert.

I don't accept that fighting in North America is not the ultimate test for a professional fighter. Of course it is.

I mean, why do you think Ricky Hatton has tried to forge a career in North America? It's because he wants to prove himself in the toughest arena the sport has to offer. He could make squillions fighting at home, but he's also after the professional recognition performing in North America will give him.

Pacman is a shining example to all Asian fighters that if you've got what it takes, you shouldn't be afraid to put it on the line in the big show.