Jack Loew: I don't like the Mora fight, Abraham would be easy work.

There is one REAL champion, and two guys who have titles that proclaim them to be a champion, hence the term titlist.

You know how AA got his champion status? Because a sanctioning body stripped the title he now holds from a champion that never lost the title.

Maybe we should settle all championships OUTSIDE THE ****ING RING.

 

Arthur Abraham has never beaten a champion, and the only former champion he's ever beaten was a titlist at light middleweight like 5 years ago. Oh yeah, acknowledge that word titlist, because Winky was the champion there.

 

Why doesn't Pav want to fight AA right now??? Answer that lol... AA got his title shot because Jermaine Taylor didn't fight his mandatory jackass. We have a top 10 in boxing. You don't fight your mandatory, you are stripped plain and simple. America doesn't see PAv as the only champion. Fans like you think they do, but the boxing worlds true fans are wondering why this fight isn't being made.

 

What does this have to do with anything lol...:nut

 

Blah blah blah. Titles are won in the ring. Period.

 

Because you want to call him a champion and he's never beaten a champion, or even a former middleweight champion.

Thats just PATHETIC.

 

I get it lol. Champs should keep their titles, and be able to skip their mandatories...I get it. !@#$@#!$ the top 10 ranked mw's lol. Let them wait lol.

 

Well AA wants a fight now with Brontosaurus brain, and look who doesn't want to fight lol... Pav can't lay claim to AA's title lol. The public still has this picture of Hop beating Pav's ass lol.

 

No, the challenger should take whatever the champion is willing to give him for a shot at a title.

Not make ridiculous monetary demands.

Thats how it used to be.

Everyone knows that AA is the second best middleweight in the world, I don't need a sanctioning body to tell me that. Pavlik's legacy will be defined much clearer after that bout. It will happen.

 

And the public still has this picture of pathetic ass Miranda splitting Abraham's jaw into about 40 pieces.

 

This is one of the more ******ed answers that I've read on this forum lol. What fighters are you talking about...monetary demands...!!!??? AA being ranked second by you is your opinion.

 

No, they remember AA knocking Miranda out in 3 and a half rounds in his own backyard and Miranda's fans following AA to the airport to steal his luggage lol. After the Hop-Pav's fight was over Hop stood there staring at Pav lol. Then Pav's little punk ass cornermen started crying along with his fat slob trainer crying, "yeah, that's real great Hop...great sportsmanship" lol...

 

I'm sorry it took so long for me to respond, but I was busy this last few days and saw the message a few moments ago. It seems that we could go on forever about little points of the discussion, but like it's been said before, this thread is dead by now, and the only reason I'm replying is to further cement my stand on it. I'm not going to think you're a bad poster because you don't agree with me, and I won't think you're a bad person because I feel you're disrespecting fighters, I understand you don't see the term as disrespectul, but I do and I think most boxers would too.

(1)But this theory holds better with my point of view. I'm not defending someone who got handed a title, I'm defending them because they won "on the field" fair and square.

(2)The system is flawed, but not as flawed as your theory. It's true that sometimes the systems rankings are laughable, but that's not always the case, and generalizing like you are, or should I say "simplifying" is an unjustice to fighters who are at no fault of being part of the system.

(3)But it doesn't give clarity to anything, it only leaves elite fighters of the division out of the championship equation.

(4)I can see not even you comepletely agree with the theory... No one is discrediting the lineal champ, we are just encouraging them to keep fighting the best (other champs). I think your argument would hold true if there was only one title and one Champion and some contender was being regarded higher than the Champ himself, but those other champions work their assess off 2 and you're the one completely disrespecting them and giving the lineal champ and excuse to not fight the best.

(5)So you're implying I'm defending the "paper" champs because I'm a fan of Cotto and all of his titles were vacant. You obviously don't know me, so I'll just try to clarify that while I'm a fan of Cotto, my agenda isn't built around him, and that when I feel I'm bieng biased with fighters I like, I say it like I have before.

(6) It's not, because I recognize the lineal champion and give him credit for who he beat to get the title, I'm just not totally disrespecting the other champs.

(7)You can say what you want about Top Rank, Williams and Cotto. But if the Champion had stayed and defended his title none of this would have happened. I understand that we don't go by a perfect system, but it's the official one and better than the one made up to determine paper champs.

(8) The implications are not the same because the term of paper champ is disrespectful, didn't you admit to it earlier on when you said it had a negative connotation to it? Titlist and "other Champs" don't have this negative connotation, so if it's the same why use the term paper champ?

(9) They are crowned champs by that organization, but beltholders is a respectful way to express your opinion if you think another champ diserves to be called lineal champ. I personally think the best way to determine an undisputed champion is having an unification tournemant, and not just going by the titles leneage because that could be misleading on who the best fighter really is.

(10)You say life is not about what's fair, but why would you want to be part of the people who promote unfairness? The term champion has been unfortunately disorted in the boxing world, but we shouldn't make the fighters pay by disrespecting them, lets just make them unify.

(11)Well this is where we mostly differ, I do have a problem calling them paper champs because that's a disrespectful term to people who put their lives on the line for our entertainement and at the same time are trying to make a living out of it, and becoming champions is the safest way to guarantee good paychecks.

 

And take the pay cut? Were you born stupid or do you work at it?:nut