Hector Camacho .Vs. Pernel Whitaker @ 135.

Look at the first Jones-Griffin fight. Montell was giving Jones fits with his quirky angles, despite being a much lesser fighter. Look at the Jones-McCallum fight, a fossilized print of Mike was still able to land plenty on Jones and give him a hard time. Had Mike been prime Jones would have been in a depth of ****.

And it's not as if Whitaker has way inferior speed to Camacho like Griffin and McCallum did to Jones. I think the burden of proof is on Camacho to prove that he can deal with Whitaker's speed. Whitaker, as I said, beautifully neutralised de la Hoya's speed, AND height AND reach advantages through his caginess, and he wasn't even at his best. Who is the fastest fighter Camacho neutralised? A post Joe Manley'ed, post-prime Howard Davis?

 

What he did from 1983 to 1986 does not make him great. Limon and Ramirez and Rosario (barely) does not make him great. And what came after were losses. So what exactly makes him ATG? His flashy ring entrance?

 

130 was his best weight and 135 was close to it. He beat Rameriz who beat Whataker. I know you will say robbery, but Camacho outclass Ramirez. Whitaker did not. Camacho was okay at 140 and was finished after that. Someone mentione that Camacho was being beaten by Roger Mayweather in sparring, who gives a ****. Sparring is sparring. PreRosario, Camacho had a very good chance of winning. Talk about Whitaker fighting in the inside with an undefeated speedster who knows when to hold and when to flurry. Someone brought up ring intelligence going to Whitaker, well maybe he should have outclassed Ramirez like Camacho did and his intelligence would have shined. I really lean towards Camacho in a split decision. He was also the HBO darling so a close call would probably go to him. Another thing about whitaker and his jab, Camacho had an excellent jab and a close to perfect one, two. I would have loved to see this fight back in the day. Oh, Camacho prime when he fought Oscar??? By the way, I don't know how many posters know this, but Camacho use to fight at around 118 prior to turning pro. I could be wrong about the weight, but I am sure I am close. Winning titles at 130, 135, and 140, master speedster, and stayed undefeated for so long could bring him into the top 100 at least.

 

Whitaker didn't outclass Ramirez the first time, but that was because he lacked experience. It was still a robbery and the second time he fought Ramirez he made him look like a amateur.

 

Hence, intelligence. A rematch gave him a better look and better game plan. Camacho schooled him and I believe dropped him also. They weren't so far apart as to facing each other. I believe Camacho had moved on to 140 and Whitaker took over and unified the division. I throught out darling of HBO due to Whitaker being a unified LW champ and Camacho just having a WBO title. Remember the fastest hands of the west card on HBO? Whitaker, Camacho, Taylor coming back from his loss to Chavez. Camacho was making more money than Whitaker and Taylor and throw in their opponents. He made one million dollars and while beating on Baltazar, he looked down at Merchant and asked him if he is worth the million, the whole broadcast said yes due to his schooling of Baltazar, a hard hitting JWW.

 

You are speaking to a brick wall.

 

Nothing better to sharpen your skills against, lol, so long as you acknowledge it's a wall and don't get disappointed when you don't come out on top :good

 

Borincano, Whitaker was well on the way to shutting Ramirez out the first time round, but then he broke his hand and had to fight him one handed in the second half of the bout. He still won a comfortable 9-3 type decision in most people's eyes. In the rematch he whipped Ramirez worse than Camacho did. Camacho got off to a good start against Ramirez with the combos, but then about half way through he started running and avoiding any exchanges and only landing the occasional jab. Whitaker dominated Ramirez from start to finish.

By the way, as for Mayweather beating up Camacho in sparring, this shouldn't surprise anyone. Edwin Rosario beat him up in the ring for real. Once Hector tasted that right hand, the ***** came right out in him and that was that.

 

You know, I only seen the Rosario vs Camacho fight once and it was live. My argument is the same as back then. You can't win a fight due to some power punches and a almost knock down. Camacho beat him by points. As far as your comment about him getting hit with the right hand. Fighters change. Some change for the better some don't. Ruiz for an example was a very good boxer until he ran into Tua. He adapted, but it is not fan friendly. As far as Camacho goes, a lot of fans tend to forget that he has one of the best chins in boxing history. He has only been dropped twice and the first time was staged due to him thinking he wasn't loved by his fans. Oscar dropped him, but we are talking about a Camacho that fought at 130, 135, 140, and 160 to drop down to 147 and fight Oscar. I believe Camacho just beat SRL and then fought Oscar. Bitches don't fight the best like Oscar, Tito, Chavez, Rosario, Duran, and an old SRL, but he stopped him and no one has ever done that. So that was not just that. He was also a great promoter for himself and generating millions by fighting older legends and setting himself up to fight Tito and Oscar.

 

Camacho...one of the greatest chins in history?

I defo wouldnt say that...Its quite good but he gets away with his points losses mainly due him being on his bike big time.

Dont get me wrong...he had a decent beard, he showed that but his ultra defensive approach in several fights had a hell of a lot to do with him making the distance.

 

Maybe the word History was much. Too bad his son doesn't have his beard and heart. He had so much promise and went down hill after the leija fight.

 

Sounds like someone is in love.

What exactly did Camacho achieve given his incredible talent, great heart and close to greatest chin in history? The man, tho talented, has sweet F.A. to show for it. His pinnacle is like a fine fine showing against Ramirez, who was bettered by plenty. This is his greatest win, right?

 

After Rosario landed that right hand all Camacho did was run and hug. You can't win rounds by doing nothing but running and hugging.

That his chin was good is nothing but an indictment on his lack of heart. Every time he faced a primed great fighter he had nothing on his mind but survival. Camacho considered himself a winner if he heard the final bell. That is NOT the heart of a champion.

The SRL and Duran fights are irrelevant and his performances against Rosario, Chavez, Tito and DLH say nothing, absolutely nothing about him being a great fighter.

Great promoter, I'll give him that. A more loveable version of Hamed - another guy who fell short of greatness and got worked as soon as he faced a great fighter, coincidentally. :good

 

He definitely didn't have the greatest chin in history but I do give him credit for taking a beating from a prime Trinidad and De La Hoya and not getting knocked out.

 

"Not"?