Prime Morales (02) vs Prime Marquez (04)

at 126 morales is a better fighter...04 is still a pre prime marquez

 

How so young asero? :think

 

look at JMM in the john fight and JMM in the diaz fight...there is a big difference just as pacquiao in the barrera 1 fight and in his boxing skills now...
this two mean have manage to evolve and they are shadows of themselves 5 years ago

 

Could it be that Chris John and Juan Diaz are very different fighters?

Look at him in the Peden, Polo, Medina and Jandaeg fights he is damn near flawless.

Im not saying he has dropped in form..even though I think he looked troubled at times in his last two fights overall..but to say he has gotten clearly better, I just dont see what you mean.

Manny has evolved a lot...Marquez I dont think has at all, he was just always an exceptional boxer in the period you have mentioned.

 

juan manuel is a skillful fighter that deserves more credit than what he receives on the other hand prime morales is no joke and experienced JMM is no joke they both great mexican fighters

 

what im trying to say is marquez is now a lot aggressive...before marquez is just a counter puncher and just starts his aggression when this opponent is ripe for the taking...we now see marquez initiate some of the actions...had marquez not become more skillful and powerful, we may not see a good 2nd fight between pac-jmm...point is pac is different today compared to 2004 and so is marquez...and yes i think the prime of marquez is today(2007 onwards) whereas the prime morales is at 122-126 (2000-2002)

so prime vs prime at 126 is unfair for marquez...it should be prime vs prime p4p...

 

Morales by UD.

 

still morales if he stick to the right game plan...i know the barrera fights are emotional fights for him because he wanted to KO barerra so he opted to slug it out with barrera rather than fighting with smarter style

 

I dont know why I bother but anyway.

What you are saying about Marquez indicates to me you havent seen a lot of his work pre-Pac 1..so I suggest you go and find some of that first.

Rounds 2-12 of Pac-Marquez 1 wasnt miles apart from Pac-Marquez II. Pac's newfound skill level looks great against Diaz and old man Hoya but it didnt exactly translate into a better peformance against JMM the 2nd time around. Hell he had more trouble with a more shop worn Barerra the 2nd time he fought him.

Asero I like your thirst for knowledge on the sport and hope you continue to post here but I implore you to get a bit more perspective before you just form an opinion out of thin air. If you still have this opinion after getting more info and film on Marquez's earlier stuff then thats fine but really..how you can think JMM has become "more skillful and powerful" at his age is beyond me.

 

had pacquiao used style in 2004 in the JMM rematch in 2008, he would have lost the fight clearly...




i've watched marquez title fights and he is indeed very conservative before..he doesn't throw a lot of punches before unlike now...

pacquiao is the one who said that marquez is a different fighter now since the first time they fight...watch his post fight interview. he said that JMM is a lot stronger and he did get hit harder...

you're saying the JMM skill has never changed whereas im saying that his skill improved and he is a different fighter now

 

to add, im not impress with JMM's performance in the jaca, john, salido and polo fights...