Bigger Wins: Two Wins of Tarver (over Jones) or Two Wins of Taylor (over Hopkins)?

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  1. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    people say that tarver has a pretty good chance to making it to the hall of fame while most people consider taylor a fraud...

    did tarver beat a shot jones twice? how about bhop having great run after taylor beat him twice?
     
    asero, Mar 22, 2009
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  2. TommyV

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    Regardless we know what happens prime for prime.
     
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  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Who are these people?
     
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  4. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Tarver HOF. :lol:
     
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  5. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No-one considered RJJ shot till after Tarver.
     
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    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JT's wins over Hopkins IMO.
     
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  7. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones was more highly rated at the time & Tarver was given no chance before the fight.
     
    Gneus7, Mar 22, 2009
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  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Tarver - Taylor got two gift decisions over Hopkins thanks to his buddies at HBO.
     
    Zakman, Mar 22, 2009
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    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't consider Hopkins anywhere near shot at that time. I think he was fighting at a weight that limited his offensive energies.
     
    The Funny Man 7, Mar 22, 2009
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  10. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some braindead people he knows.
     
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  11. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Taylor arguably didn't win, and Tarver had one win by brutal stoppage. Definitely Tarver here.
     
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  12. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :yikes I know the HOF is pretty lenient in its criteria, but that's a pretty ridiculous statement. The day they inducted Jess Willard was a dark one - beat a great fighter and you might get in.

    Reasonable question about Tarver/Taylor, though.

    - Jones wasn't on the downslide until Tarver, but he was also coming off his weight drop; Tarver was right place/right time, one could say.
    - BHop was far from done (obviously), but the fights were coin tosses. One could say Taylor was right place/right time (the right place being "on HBO").

    In other words, it's just a matter of opinion on what you value more: quality of opponent or emphatic nature of the win.

    I'll puss out and call them more or less equivalent: notable achievements, with legitimate "but's" to go with each. Ranking one above the other is impossible to quantify.

    Aw, **** it. Brutal stoppage is brutal stoppage and gooners comment is right about BHop tossing the fights away.
     
    djm, Mar 22, 2009
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  13. gooners!!

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    Tarver's win without a shadow of a doubt. Tarver actually beat Jones convincingly. Where as Nard.......... as good as threw the Taylor fights away more than Taylor won them.
     
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  14. Williams27

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    The Jones that Tarver beat was not at 100% because of age and the fact that he was coming back down from bulking up to 193 for that f*cking farce with John Ruiz. Taylor was fighting a weight drained B-Hop at that point. If Taylor and Hopkins fought at 170 pounds it would have been lights out for Taylor.
     
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  15. redmond22588

    redmond22588 Blood and Guts Full Member

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    i agree with you about if they fought at 170 but i dont see bhop koing JT bhop hasn't knocked anybody out recently
     
    redmond22588, Mar 22, 2009
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