Did Roy Jones losing 20 lbs of muscle factor in him losing...

ask Chris Byrd if his punch resistance had gone after going to light heavy?

regarding HYDE- CRUISERWEIGHT is 200lbs Herbie was 213lbs when fighting.

I think if you look at Jones face in the Tarver fight and Body you will realise how dried out and drawn he looks, he didnt have the sheen/healthy body he had before at light heavy

 

Question. If Roy Jones stayed at lightheavy after Clinton Woods, would he have lasted and stayed at the top crop like Hopkins(ie- Top 10 p4p)?

 

I think he would have been fine at light Heavy,
Look at the weight loss this way.


You add some 2lbs of CLAY to a 10lb Ball of clay and roll it up.

You then take away 2lbs of clay from that 12lb ball.


Did you remove the same 2lbs of clay you originally put on?

 

Maybe the first fight, but the rematch hell no, his body had plenty of time to recover and adjust, However Jones is a world class professional and I will say with the kind of money he has made, and hiring that ***** dude Mackie, he should have know how to take the weight off properly, in other words Jones either should have set that first fight back a little or pulled out until the weight came off the right way.

either way, the arguement over Jones being weight drained is old.

 

That's a good way of looking at it. He kept his speed but lost his legs, stamina, reflexes etc....

Thats the thing- do you stay at a constant, be safe and be a top contender or do you go and make history? If anybody was to go up in drastic muscle weight and then lose it all, there was one person at the time that everybody believed could have done it- that was Roy. Nearly Superman.

 

this goes on and on and on....

If you lost 20 odd lbs of fat getting in shape like joe average then you would feel better and wouldnt have the same effect. The lbs of fat you lose is used as energy.

Now using the same process try and lose 1lb of fat and 19lb of muscle and see what happens. he had nothing to shed as far as fat mass goes so he had to lose muscle. The human body does not respond well to an unhealthy lack of nutrition. To catabolise muscle you have to be drastically malnourished.

would he have been knocked out any way - maybe.

suggesting Roy was even close to prime is just a joke and if you honestly beleive that you know nothing about the sport. I have nothing against Tarver and i have no problem with a guy getting knocked out. He chose the wrong fight for himself at the wrong time. BUT HE CHOSE TO DO IT.

Roy went in there knowing what he could and could not do based on his current health.

Tarver = right punch right time. could he do it again if they fought the same fight 100 times - i dont think so, others would disagree.

Jones = would have known what he was going through - took the fight anyway , call it pride or stupidity whatever you want. Got knocked out . move on. Glass jaw......not likely.

 

:think I entertain this new point of view. It makes sense but, my question to you would be, is it any different than Oscar coming back down to 147 apart from the time difference between the two aforementioned fighters?

 

He was 198 lbs on the night of RUIZ fight, and said he was walking around at 210 after.


When he was at light Heavy he was walking around 183.

 

Well first it was 193 (the wrong weight). Not 190 and to top it off, the scales were off, Mackie Shilstone said so, the guy doing the weigh in said so. Roy Jones was shown in a video after the weigh in, at home weighing 200lbs on a scale.


Roy Jones cut 10-15lbs of muscle off for the first Tarver fight.

Roy Jones weighed 200lbs against Ruiz. Thats a fact.

 

The first fight is not the one he lost. :nono

We're talking about the second fight and afterward.

 

It still affected him.

Tarver for whatever reason decided not to go after Jones at opportune times.

In the 2nd fight he did it.

Roy Jones body took too much damage in that change.


He was expecting to fight Tyson. Going up to 210+ by not fighting.

 

I'd love to know how many people here you like to claim it was "obvious" that Roy was drained for the second fight (not just the first) actually said it before the fight and fully expected him to get one-punch KO'd?

 

Jones has been going down hill before the Ruiz fight. Doing what he did to his body only worsened it.

Tarver knocked him out in the 2nd fight because he actually went after Jones. In the first fight, Jones would lay on the ropes, this time Tarver came after him.

Roy wasn't drained for the 2nd fight but it was obvious that what he had done to his body was still in effect.

 

I agree it probably affected him in the first fight. But there's no basis for saying it was still affecting him in the 2nd. It's just an assumption made after the fact, just because he lost.

If no one was worried about it before the fight, there's no reason for it to suddenly "become" an excuse afterward.

 

That's ridiculous. Jones weighed 175 for Tarver. You trying to recreate some image of him being "too large" that night is laughable. You're just making stuff up. BTW, Jones is 5-11 not 5-10.