Thoughts on Abraham/Forrest -- Pavlik/Mora

If you listened to Kalle Sauerland, then the one thing you should have got from it is that there is no 'Arum and Sauerland' with regard to a Pavlik/Abraham fight.

Unless you think he was flat out lying during that interview, then the two promotional teams are in no way acting in concert with regard to this. That makes sense because, if they were, then the only way the proposed fights would make sense would be on the same bill.

Thus far Abraham's promotional team appear to be doing all they can to make the fight happen, Pavlik's team appear to be doing....nothing.

My biggest fear with regard to this situation is that Bob Arum 'knows exactly what he's doing'.

 

i am very familiar with pavlik's amateur background. i saw him fight in the national junior golden gloves and the under-19 championships between 1998 and 2000. the one thing that, to me, has not changed since then is his inability to find a way to land accurate, hard punches on a guy who is quick, technical and, most crucially, not afraid of his powerful looping shots. he can force the wrong fight on a technical boxer, which i give him due credit for, but he cannot win a standup boxing match against high level competition. amateur pedigree being what it is, the junior ranks and pro ranks seem too distant from one another to predict the latter based on the former. if not, i suppose andre ward would be a unified world champion by now.

whatever the case, you're entitled to your opinion. and i suppose there is every chance i am underestimating kelly, so i guess the fight will tell. it's easy enough to find out, you know? i just think that mora will get taggeed early and it will either be the quick slide to the canvas or a wakeup call to use his notable speed advantage to keep pavlik spinning away from being able to plant and fire heavy shots.

 

Mora's a better all around fighter than people, including me, give him credit for. But he's too small, too light-fisted, and too inexperienced to be taking on the MW champ. He's going to end up unconcious.

 

Man Sweety, you should be a storyteller...reminds me of "Iceman" John Scully as he wrote some on this board, simply superb backround and analysing skills - sweet...

 

it makes no sense at all on Pavlik's part...on AA's part its a good move for US exposure against a name and champ in Forrest, but it still doesn't really put more $$ in the pot for a Pavlik fight...which is why Arum is doing nothing but stalling his fighter from a good payday because i doubt AA will wait around forever at 160, when he could fight a Taylor at 168...

 

how forrest and mora are rewarded with big fights for giving us a boring fights

 

agreed.

 

Abraham should beat Forrest with no real problem.

 

abraham looking shocking in his last fight, must give forest a chance.

abraham was never a sustained action fighter, but now he can only fight for 30 seconds a round.

this must be either to much weight training or he is boiling down to much weight (most likely) and has no energy.

but i have never rated mayorga at all, yet he had a style to beat forest and i think the few sustained attacks , will be enough for abraham to get forest out of there at some point, but stylewise forest has a chance.

as to abraham v pavlik, personally i think team abraham have left it to long and should move abraham up in weight now, as his performances at 160 , due to lower and lower inactivity in rounds are clearly affecting his fights.

 

Agreed. I give Forrest a good shot to outbox the one dimensional AA.

Forrest is the better boxer, AA the better puncher.

 

I don't like these fights, fighting guys from lower weight classes. Mora is a joke and an undeserving challenger at any weight and Forrest is over the hill and started at WW. Not exactly the fights to look good as the general public is looking for two big knockouts, pretty much like when Taylor faced Ouma or Spinks. Anything other than an early finish will hurt both champs rep, and I don't think either fight will end before the 7th. In fact, Mora could survive to the end and Forrest, a much better boxer than Pavlik, could cause some serious problems to AA.

But I understand Sauerland's move. If KP fights the Latin Fake, it's logical to fight the guy who schooled this joke. If that's the price to get KP-AA, in October or November according to the latest news, well be it. But these fights are not exactly the best options to look good.

 

Forrest is still the best 154 pounder today.

Chances are Forrest will outjab and outwork AA.

Mora has no chance at all against Pavlik.

 

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Forrest could even spoil KP-AA if Abraham fights the way he did vs Simon, and people expecting AA to kick a LMW's ass, not a tough boxing match, despite The Ring ranks Forrest as the best LMW.