Did Roy Jones losing 20 lbs of muscle factor in him losing...

duh....

 

Eh? How can you claim to know either of those things??

Not true, he used it as an excuse plenty of times after that fight, and in fact was using it even before the fight started - that's where the pre-fight talk of him being weight drained for that fight came from.

For the second fight, he said he was making the fight fine.

 

In regards to Tarver, yes, seeing as how he blew his rubber match with him.

But why is it "too late" to avenge his loss to Johnson? Any way you look at it, being 1-1 against Johnson is better than being 0-1.

Maybe not, but it makes him a fighter who had Roy's number, unless Roy actually proves otherwise in the ring.

 

he weighed in wearing shoes, sweat pants, sweat shirt/ jacket......

boxrec has him at 193 for that fight and while its not the bible, its pretty accurate. what makes you think he was 200? either way, its mostly water weight he shed. gatti fought at 140 and would weigh in 160 day of the fight..... if roy add 20 pounds of muscle in 6 months, he should write body building magazines

 

explain how you lose muscle 15 pounds of muscle. muscle just doesnt go away and dissapear because you start running and training hard.
its the biggest bull**** bit of ignorance on this board....." he shed 15 pounds of muscle"
he didnt even put on 15 pounds of muscle.

roy walks arounds at 190 anyway the last few years he was at 175.
no way he weighed in at 200 anyway...... 195 at best....5 pounds of clothes/ shoes

 

i think so too. the KO had more to do with tarver than the weight.

 

What do you mean the previous year??? Roy fought an immediate rematch with Tarver, and was never the same to me even after their first fight! I do not care who was a favorite in any fight. Odds mean something to bettors, not me. Physically, you saw how Roy ran out of energy in their first fight after six rounds. Roy never ran out of energy in a fight. Tarver didn't wear Roy down. So what Roy had time to recup for the second fight...the damage was done. As far as what you are saying when you said this, "LOL, great way to show your bias. I'm sure people who "hate on" Roy would never bother to watch him getting KO'd. atsch"...this was just a flat out dumb ass response as it has nothing to do with nothing. Foster and Moore did not bulk up to heavy. And please....don't mention Tiozzo ever again in this discussion. How can you say no one was worried about Roy making weight, when I in fact asked another question??? I asked did losing 20 lbs of muscle affect him. Don't give me the critics/bettors answers...give your own assessment. Answer the thread title I mean what the @#!$@!$...

 

We are talking about it all as my thread leads up to the loss. It all factors in.

 

Please stop saying, "If no one was worried about it before the fight"... You are not speaking for anyone except yourself.

 

Did you hear Roy give any excuses? I asked you a simple question, and I have yet to see a simple answer from you.

 

Roy Jones only lost 7 pounds of anything that wasn't just water weight. Also, that was the first fight... and Jones didn't lose. So, obviously not. Especially considering that Jones didn't have to cut any weight for the fight with Tarver in which he lost.

 

Whether it was a 10 lb or 20 lb gain...in boxing, when you train 6 months to gain weight to fight a heavy, this is what happens. Roy wanted to keep his speed, and power. Roy did not look like a guy who gained weight/muscle, and looked sluggish at the new weight. So that means Roy trained vigorously to keep his speed and power. He ate good, and trained hard, and felt good going into the ruiz fight.

After losing the weight, and beating Tarver, we all saw that the weight loss affected him. Going into the rematch, when we all saw Roy enter the ring that night, we all saw that he looked small, and that he had a look on his face that he was not confident.

When an ex-fighter like myself sees this look, it is a look that he thinks he is just not strong/confident enough to deal with the challenge in front of him.

"You got any excuses tonight roy...you got any excuses" is what Tarver said before the rematch. The old Roy would've talked the talk, but Roy just seemed to be there physically, not mentally. I've seen Roy take the shot Tarver landed on him, and Roy didn't blink. This time he blinked, and imo he was never the same. The Johnson(Johnson has never ko'd an elite fighter) fight confirmed that Roy's days at the highest level in this sport are over as he was ko'd by a guy who is not known as a puncher...and I was right.

 

193-175 = 18 lbs

Jumping back up to 186 after the weigh in proves that at least 11 pounds of that weight was nothing more than water weight. Dehydrating and rehydrating. Obviously water weight isn't muscle.

That only leaves 7 pounds. Jones sure didn't have a lot of fat, but you can always find a few pounds to burn. Especially considering that he just let himself bulk up a bit for that fight.

In the end, Jones still weighed in at 7 pounds under the current cruiserweight limit for his fight against Ruiz. It isn't as if Jones became a natural heavyweight or something. Jones has never, and will NEVER struggle to make light heavyweight.

Also... why do people always refer to this as if that was the fight that Jones lost? Jones lost the rematch, when even Jones himself admitted that he was in amazing shape and had no troubles making weight.