Did Roy Jones losing 20 lbs of muscle factor in him losing...

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well I also think that the weight-loss affected Tarver. It affects most fighters who are trying to make a weight-limit. It's not natural to hold a weight so far below what you would normally exert yourself at. Not good.

    Mostly resistance and reach, but he did move heavy loads also.

    No, I didn't pick Moore fighting for the title after Durelly, I picked him fighting at HW after a light-heavyweight bout, and I picked this fight because you had claimed that "Moore never took six months [to gain weight]", which he had.


    It's like...there's some stuff in this thread that you have just flat out made up/made a mistake about but you surely don't really believe this?
     
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    :good:good:good
     
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    If Jones didn't train hard enough, that's his problem, not the weight.
     
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    Made up...lol:huh Are you saying that the nutrition then and now was the same. Heck, i know you've seen boxers of the past comment on how the modern techniques have helped today's fighter. No, Moore didn't take 7 months to train, gain weight, and fight for the HW title. I've boxed, and I've won a world title in this game. The only thing I might be guilty of is exaggerrating about PAc's prime comp being weak.
     
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    Didn't train hard enough...!!!??? this is Roy jones we are talking about lol...:lol: I'm sorry, but you just don't get it. If you don't get it now, then you probably never will...no disrespect. You can train hard all you want, but you are not eating the same foods that you ate to gain weight...to lose weight.
     
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    I am saying that the idea that "food now has better nutrition in it than the food of yesteryear" is in no way a defendable position. Steak wasn't better or worse for you in 1969. Nor was a banana. In general.

    At no point did i say that he did.

    You suppoorted the position that losing this kind of weight would hurt anyone. I told you this was incorrect and offered you the example of a fighter gaining and losing a similiar amount of weight without recieving this hurt.
     
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    Jesus Christ.

    You said, "guys then trained harder" in a thread about Roy Jones in a discussion aimed at understanding what happened to Roy.

    I responeded, "If Roy didn't train hard enough that is his problem."

    I don't think that not training hard enough was Roy's problem. I don't agree with you that "guys then trained harder" for even one second. That is your position. I was reacting to your position, not making a statement about my own.
     
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    Yeah, well if you disagree, then you disagree. We'll have to agree to disagree then. WTF...!!!???
     
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    Good lord.
     
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    Sorry, but I ain't talkin about a steak and banana. I support my kids, not anyone's position. I can agree, and you won't know what I'm agreeing about. Next time ask me. What you did was not even anything worth mentioning yet you mentioned it for some reason. I'm talking about moore fighting for the title after a fight at lightheavy in 6 months. Your comparison not only didn't coincide with my point, but you based it off of me agreeng with another poster basically...because you sure didn't ask me lol. Did you even respond to the originator of the post that I agreed with lol...???
     
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    So what "Food" had less nutrition in it in 1959 than now?

    SO you're position is this then?:

    A fighter going up in weight to fight for a world title then coming down in weight to fight at a lower weight will be less of a man.

    A fighter going up in weight, NOT fighting for a world title then coming down in weight will be the same man?
     
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaysuperman27
    He should have stayed at heavyweight with a fight with Byrd or a slower Tyson..Losing 20lbs in a short span of time in the fighting business proves to be fatal.

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    Exactly, and it also takes time to take off that weight. People think that Jones went up in weight to gain only a few lbs of muscle in 5-6 months, and then they say Roy didn't have that much to lose because most of it was water weight. Sick. reading about it is one thing, going through it is another. Good post.

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    Exactly, good post?

    If losing 15lbs odd would be "fatal to anyone" why wasn't if fatal to Archie Moore?

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    We are talking about two different times. I mean isn't Dlh losing to Pac close enough proof? Jeez. Archie didn't bulk up using weights and all kinds of methods to increase his speed and power. All he did was eat and diet. He didn't take 6 months to gain weight to fight a heavy. Read up on what Moore used to do to gain and lose weight.
     
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    My man, lets kill the food talk ok:lol:. Second, I'm saying that a fighter who trains for 6 MONTHS to gain weight...so that he can turn that weight into muscle...so that they won't miss a beat, and can still fight the same way that they did at the lower weight... WILL NOT be the same fighter he was 6 months ago who has to lose all of that weight he gained...in just 6 WEEKS! Jones fought Ruiz, and then Tarver. Who did Moore fight before he got a shot at the HW title, or better yet, who did he fight after fighting for the HW title?
     
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    I can't believe you have re-posted yourself saying that "all [Archie Moore did to gain and lose weight] was eat and diet" like it proves something other than how wrong you can be.
     
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