Did Roy Jones losing 20 lbs of muscle factor in him losing...

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK, sure, you brought it up.

    And what I am telling you - since about three pages ago, I think - is that Archie Moore did all of this WITHOUT collapsing under the weight-loss. So did Sam Langford. So have a few others, in terms of body-weight %.

    Most of these guys didn't have anything like the support that Jones had, either.
     
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  2. NALLEGE

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  3. NALLEGE

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    Moore did not train 6 months to win the heavyweight title, nor did he fight his #1 contender after his HW title shot. Neither did Sam Langford.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    But your obsession with titles makes no sense!!

    Moore came up to from 175 after a long training camp and a long training camp designed to gain weight (MORE weight than Roy on occasion) before trianing back DOWN for a fight in the top class WITHOUT crumbling due to weight loss! This is fact.


    You must acknowledge one of the following:

    Moore WAS badly hurt by the weight gain, but got away with it.

    Moore WASN'T badly hurt, so such weight gain/loss wouldn't hurt everybody. Some could survivie it.
     
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  5. NALLEGE

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    You must acknowledge something. You misread, and misresponded to our posts. The guy I said, "exactly" to, didn't say it would be fatal for everyone. Not only that, but to even give credence to what you're saying, Moore did not fight someone as good as Tarver after he lost both title shots at HW.
     
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  6. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    What Roy did was unprecedented. It's easy to blow yourself up and then down in weight, but we're talking about mostly fat and water weight in these cases. Never been done with a guy that was almost pure muscle when he started, went up, then came back down. Losing muscle it what happens when a starving person has ran out of fat reserves. It's not natural. If you think of how some fighters are weight drained sometimes, it's nothing compared to what Roy put himself through.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    :lol: I can't believe you are still talking about HW title shots! Like that makes any difference to the body composition of the man moving between weights!!
     
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  8. NALLEGE

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    What support are you talking about???:huh
     
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  9. McGrain

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    We've already talked about it.

    Nutritionists. Dieticians. Doctors.
     
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  10. NALLEGE

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    It does, and you can't see that it does...and that is what's bothering me about our little discussion lol.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Right.

    Explain to me please how the internal body composition of a fighter who has been training to box is different if he

    A - Fights a top heavy

    B - Fights for the title.

    Remember. BODY COMPOSITION, as you've claimed.
     
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  12. NALLEGE

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    G, you stick to your guns, and you are a decent poster. Just admit you jumped the gun about mentioning Moore, and we'll call it even lol...
     
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  13. McGrain

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    ...you're a made up person, aren't you?
     
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  14. NALLEGE

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    Body composition...!!!??? These are your words, not mine lol.

    Question 1. Did Moore win the HW title?
    Question 2. Did Moore fight his mandatory after he lost his HW title shots?
    Question 3. Did Moore... before he fought Rocky or Patterson gain 21 lbs of weight/muscle training for 6 months before his HW title shots?
     
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  15. Jeff M

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    :huh
     
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