Is it time for a Klitschko to be ranked in the top 10 P4P

I exaggerated. I guess, career-wise, he isn't top 10. But his talent is top 10 material, you gotta admit.

 

You have to have serious athlestism to move around as they do at there weight an height, that or the top ten heavys if not top 20 would all be 6'5" an above an weight 250,,,,how many ex-college football players would come up an do it an basketball (there alot of 6'5" an above),,,,Why not,,,cause you have to have the natural skills to pull it off......You, i can tell by reading your post don't **** about sports,,,,but heavys hasbeen seen as, the bigger you are, the slower you move, so the weight diffrence makes up in speed,,,,,,,:hi:

 

Who is 'us' exactly?

Are you actually trying to lump yourself in with the credible posters on this site?

Oh the irony. Rico, it is common knowledge that you are a dimwitted imbecile, and you have zero credibility or respect on this forum.

:dead

 

yeah yeah yeah, shut your mouth. Usain Bolt is 6'5.

 

Tommy Hearns also enjoyed a big size advantage at 147, and? It is a part of the attributes of a fighter, like power, chin, handspeed etc...

And your second point doesn't make sense. We can't size down a Vitali to 175, because at different weights fighters need different attributes. Is is just not logic to assume that Vitali would keep the same style if he would be 6'2 175 lbs, he would be a different fighter. Heavyweights usually rely more on their power and do not dance circles, because it takes a lot of energy to move 250 pounds of muscle (or fat) like that. Remember that gravity is the same for a 108 pounder or a 300 pounder, and when you are bigger you need more energy. You can't be Pernell Whitaker when you're 250 pounds. With your logic I could say that Ivan Calderon would be too fast and too slick for Mike Tyson, etc...

You can have them outside your top 25, I respect your opinion but to bring those points is not logical at all.

 

Neither of the Klitschkos display the kinds of talents and skills it takes to be considered among the best p4p in the world. So no.

 

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We're talking about different sports there. Boxing is not about sprinting less than 10 secs. Sprinting is anaerobic. Boxing is a lot more aerobic. It's about hitting and get hit during twelve rounds... ?

 

**** yeah.

 

Hmmm. Firstly, **** yourself.

Secondly, this argument has been done to death, and there has only ever been (And only ever will be) one conclusion. You may well be far too dimwitted to understand the concept of P4P when rating HW's. Frankly I dont care, posters with just some grasp of the sport understand the problem, so who cares what some idiot newbie cant understand.

Regardless I will not demean myself by arguing that point with a poster who thinks that the top 20 ranked HW's are all 6-5 and weigh 250 pounds or over.:hi:

 

Well you disagree on my second point, fair enough.

But IMO, Vitali and Wlad have more basic skillsets and cannot fight at the pace of the P4P fighters in lower divisions, any division outside of HW for that matter.

Its the nature of the division. Its slower, more basic. Whereas the skillsets and pace of fighting in the other divisions translates from one to another, the [ace is much higher and the skillsets more advanced. You get super paced fights at bantam, and super paced fights at SMW.

As for your point about Hearns, well its just plain wrong. Height yes, but not weight which is way more significant. Thats why we have weight divisions, not height divisions.

 

Thanks for making my point,,,but he not a boxer,,,i just read he is a sprinter,,,,guess he couldn't cut it in the ring with his size,,,to hard to move around, an advoid being hit, an throwing punches an more importantly WINNING,,,that would be what you need to do to be great p4p....No problem i will shut up cause you made my point

 

Please re-read my post,,,i never stated that heavys were all six five 250..........Now an argument to what you state about what makes a p4p, what if dawson weight bettween 235 an 240 how good would he be, i guess it is OK for wlad to go down in weight for your argument, but how good is it for people to go up in weight,,,,take gomez, he would of spanked hayes when he was at his prime at cruise (190 not 200), but he comes up an gets beatdown...........:hi:

 

Ha, we'd love for you to do that, shut the hell up man.

:yep who the hell are you to have someone else make your point, you'd have people think you were the emperor of japan or some crap, ****.

goddamn, you're stupid, I swear.

 

This is why I don't have Pac as P4P #1, at 245 he would just be slow and plodding, his hand speed would decrease significantly due to the fat flaps hanging from his arms.
Dawson is great at 175 but can you imagine him scaled down to 112? His speed would be no match for those guys and he would likely be Ko'd early in his malnourished state.