Why don't people still discuss Floyd vs Cotto?

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??:think YOU NEEDA KEEP UP WIT UR BOXING

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floyd is retired and cotto will be by years end.

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Blame whomever you want. He was still a handpicked opponent.

Please tell me why you felt it neccesary to point out that Urkal was a top 10 Welter according to Ring magazine?

It's called cherry picking a paper title off of a domestic level fighter. And if you want to say Jennings wasn't targeted by Cotto than fine. However, you must then also recognize that Margarito wasn't targeted by Cotto as well.

Cotto has like two names on his resume and one of those fights was forced upon him. I'm not going to bother arguing that he avoided any fights, because Cotto Kool-Aid drinkers will blame everything on Arum anyway.

Because Cotto has the upper hand right now with Arum. His contract is up at the end of the year. If he really didn't want to fight Jennings, he clearly had the leverage to force Arum's hand. However, that didn't happen. He didn't put up much of a fight, and seemed content with collecting another vacant strap.

When I was a kid, I used to believe in Santa Claus. Nowadays, I don't. Did I contradict myself, or did I change my opinion based on new revelations? People change their opinions all the time. Cotto's contract situation, combined with his overall lack of protest caused me to question his sincerity. And I never shitted on him. I pointed out that he fought a cherry picked C level fighter for a vacant title. As far as the Clottey fight, Clottey is a dangerous opponent and that's a good fight. However, I don't see how you could credit Cotto for taking on that fight seeing as how you seem to believe Arum calls all the shots in regards to whom he fights.

Floyd Mayweather Jr, Bernard Hopkins, and Joe Calzaghe are three that come to mind.

 

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Good post:good

 

So everyone who fights a "handpicked" opponent is a cherry picker, regardless of whether they're doing the choosing or not?

In case you didn't notice, I was chronologically listing Cotto's opponents leading up until one of the fights in question (Gomez). You're making it seem as if I specifically pointed out Urkal as a stand out victory or some ****, which couldn't be further from the truth. What I initially stated was Cotto fought consecutive fighters ranked in Ring Magazine's top ten, which just so happened to apply to Urkal. Overall, my point was that didn't strike me as a path of an alleged "cherry picker."

That's the point of the whole argument. You're labeling someone a cherry picker who doesn't target any fighter in particular.

I don't see how you can say one fight was forced upon him and not another, since Cotto isn't the one selecting his opposition. I also think it would be rather strange for a so called "cherry picker" to be forced into fighting anyone.

What was his other alternative?

Come on, man...that's ridiculous. You're comparing fantasy to reality. Not only that, but you're comparing your perspective as an adult to that as a child. Big difference. It's like this dumbass I knew in 6th grade who thought it would be funny to place a paper clip in between two erasers, and stick it into an electrical outlet. I'm sure now that's he's an adult, he wouldn't think that would be very funny. That's not just a changing of opinion, but even more so a case going from being an ignorant child to a mature adult. Basically what you're telling me, is you went from having a "tremendous amount of respect" for someone, to questioning their overall intentions in a relatively short period of time, without anything drastic occurring, and equating that with you believing in a ficitional charcater as a child. That's some wild **** right there, but to each his own, I guess.

What do you mean lack of protest? He protested to the point where he was eventually issued an ultimatum. He elected to fight rather than sit on the shelf. His
relationship with Top Rank has been rocky since at least 2006, and he's currently debating whether or not he'll join another promotional company or self promote.

You didn't say that. You said Cotto was a guy "cherry picking paper titles off of C level fighters." Making it seem as if he was a fighter who has targeted multiple C-level fighters for vacant titles.

Because he didn't cherry pick.

 

Antuaan, I want you to find one post where I said that Cotto was a cherry picker. I said he fought a cherry picked C level fighter for a vacant title. I chose my words carefuly because I know how sensitive Cotto Kool-Aid drinkers are to any criticism towards their idol.

Again, I never called Cotto a cherry picker. Also, so you're now telling me that any fighter in the top 10 according to Ring Magazine is a legit opponent regardless or what they've achieved, or what point they are in their career?

Again, I never called him a cherry picker.

Antuann, you can only have fights forced upon you if you AREN'T selecting your opponents. If you were selecting your opponents, you couldn't have someone forced on you as you were the one picking out the opponent.

Again, point out where I said he was a cherry picker. Pointing out that he fought a cherry picked opponent is not the same as calling him a cherry picker.

Here's an alternative, tell Arum that he'll lose one of his best clients if he doesn't get him a better fight.

Ok, here's a better example being that you didn't get the overall point of the first one. When The United States invaded Iraq, I supported the President because I assumed he was being genuine when he said they had WMDs. Once I discovered that their were no WMDs and that the President mislead the country, I no longer supported his actions. Did I contradict myself, or did I change my opinion based on further revelations? Is this a good enough analogy, or do I have to draw you a picture?

This is a terrible analogy.

What's wild is your obsession with another grown man. For whatever reason, you deem it neccesary to defend tooth and nail even the slightest criticism of Cotto. That fact that I found out that Cotto's contract was expiring is huge. That gives him a ton a leverage as well as a bigger say as to whom he fights. Right now, Arum has to make Cotto happy if he wants him to resign. If Cotto does an adequate job of voicing his displeasure, than Arum will be more willing to give in to Cotto's demands given that Cotto is the one with the leverage.

Actually, he did fight multiple cherry picked C level fighters for vacant straps; Jennings and Pinto.

 

Been following you and BigReg's arguement here, and just wanted to congratulate you for completely dominating him (albeit it a very calm and non inflammitory way). And you managed to do it despite the constant whoops and thumbs up from fellow Cotto haters/Floyd Nuthuggers after every BigReg post - great job Maxx!

 

would be a gud fight but after the margo loss, cotto has to build back his stock up a bit. plus mosley has a better shot at beating mayweather imo

 

I have to agree that after Margo's loss Cotto (In my eyes questionable because of the Margo's scandal, not proven that he did it against Cotto but as a fan I decided to question it) needs to raise his stock again and my question is if Clottey is that stock??

 

clottey is definately a threat and a top 5 welter so yeah

 

Where did I say that? Nowhere. My point was a fighter facing four consecutive fighters ranked by Ring magazine, more than likely isn't cherry picking and is due a "tuneup" bout. Is that saying all fighters ranked in the top ten are legit opponents? Absolutely not.

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Well then this makes absolutely no sense at all...

Why would only one of those fights be forced upon him if he isn't the person selecting his opponents, and not both of them? Or are suggesting Cotto selected one and not the other?

You said he was "the guy cherry picking paper titles off of C level fighters." How is that not saying he's a cherry picker?

Which is almost a certainty to happen once his contract has expired.

Son, you compared fiction to reality. That's the point.

Yes, please draw me a picture of Cotto doing something in the last few months as drastic as Bush lying about WMDs. Talk about going from one extreme to another.

Santa Claus?

You mean like you do with Floyd and more recently James Kirkland? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what is. I find it funny that I'm "obsessed" with Cotto, when I rarely participate in the bulk of the posts created concerning him. You on the other hand, are present in virtually every post concerning the man, voicing your opinions on him. I bet you have more posts concerning Cotto in the past year, than I have since I've joined this site, and I've been here a year longer than you have.

Not if the relationship is irreconcilable, which seems to be the case.

Pinto became C-level after Cotto defeated him. Remember prior to facing Cotto, Pinto was scheduled to fight Ricky Hatton, and many people expected him to beat Ricky. Obviously, as we know now, Pinto wasn't a great fighter. But that doesn't mean he was cherry picked, nor does it eclipse the fact that he was perceived as a legit threat at the time Cotto fought him, despite not having faced the best opposition.

 

Great, so let's put an end to this discussion... Hopefully we get Floyd back in June / July like some reports say and we hope that Cotto beats Clottey bad and we should raise this discussion again. Until then, let's just settle down for now.

 

yeah right now people want to see mayweather-pac, or mayweather -mosley so guys on the sideline like cotto have time to get themselves back in the mix