Does Froch get your respect...

Forch won't mil the title like Calazaghe did, reason is his is a legit world title.

Hes not managed by Frank warren (Warren boxing Organisation)

He will also have faced a harder challenge than Calzaghe in Taylor if he wins.

Taylor is a far more credible fighter than Danish pastry Kessler. Kessler/Palle are among the great frauds/conmen of boxing.


Kessler organisation WBA doesnt even have Taylor in the top 15....ROFL!!!!

 

Absolutely.

EEven though he's way too mouthy for his own good, Froch IS a guy who pushes for the challenge and that's commendable.

Now if only his fans weren't so annoying...

 

[quote="TKO";3703906]I think Andrade is too high at 3 myself. Though you could argue him above Bika and Inkin, he should be below Taylor and Froch (plus Mundine if you still class him as a super middle). However, the rest of the list is fairly OK. Andrade has only lost to the top two guys and would have a shot at wearing Taylor down though I wouldn't favour him.[/quote]

On what basis would you rate Froch above Andrade, TKO? He's also beaten better fighters at 168 lbs than Taylor, but, yeah, he's beaten the much better fighters overall.

 

I give him his dues for going over to USA and taking on a fighter who many believe is better than him. Like its been said he could have quite easily gone down the Calzaghe route (although he is older) but he's not hiding from the world with a lesser title (WBC is far more prestigious than WBO IMO). Anyway on the Calzaghe matter yes he milked it for a long time but thats what everyone does in the sport to try and lure an opponent to fight him. And if you read the interviews he wasn't that rude or arrogant about Calzaghe and he did give him dues. Since calzaghe has retired it is the press who bring up these arguments and Bunce especially brings it up every time he speaks to Froch. He recognises he wont get the fight and has since shut up about it. Bunce needs to do the same

 

the best way summarise this is...

Would Kessler fight Taylor in his 1st defence? NO

would Calzaghe (100% no)

 

No, like it's been said, he could not have gone down the "Calzaghe route".

Read the WBC rules, please.:good

 

Thinking about it more, yeah, I could see an argument either way. They've probably beaten similar quality of fighters, Andrade's wins over Mack, Stieglitz and Otis Grant similar standard to Froch's over Pascal, Reid, Magee and Tatevosyan. Andrade has lost twice though (admittedly to better fighters than Froch has faced thus far) and Froch holding a title plus the fact that he has probably the best win on either fighter's record over Pascal would swing it for me.

 

[quote="TKO";3704201]Thinking about it more, yeah, I could see an argument either way. They've probably beaten similar quality of fighters, Andrade's wins over Mack, Stieglitz and Otis Grant similar standard to Froch's over Pascal, Reid, Magee and Tatevosyan. Andrade has lost twice though (admittedly to better fighters than Froch has faced thus far) and Froch holding a title plus the fact that he has probably the best win on either fighter's record over Pascal would swing it for me.[/quote]

The fact that he holds a title is 100% irrelevant.

Beating Mack and Stieglitz in such a devastating fashion, and almost KOing Bute is much more impressive than what Froch's achieved against Magee and Pascal. Reid was completely shot, Tatevosyan is a journeyman who was coming off a 12 round beating from Bute less than 8 weeks earlier, and the ref stopped it early.

Sorry, TKO...your argument holds no water.:good

 

DECEBAL - Please allaborate ?

 

Froch has to fight two mandatory challengers put forward by the WBC before he can call the WBC belt his own - since he won it as a vacant title, having not fought an eliminator beforehand.

Taylor was the No.1 mandatory challenger, but he wouldn't have come to England to fight Froch, so Froch could have asked for purse-bids, if he had wanted to have made sure that Taylor wouldn't have fought him. He didn't, to his credit, but decided to travel to the USA to make a name for himself by fighting a big-name. However, what was the alternative?

Andre Ward was ranked No.2 contender. Andre Dirrell was ranked No.3 contender. Ward and then Dirrell would have gotten the chance to take on Froch in England, and I'm sure that one of the two, at least would have taken the plunge...

...thing is, both Ward and Dirrell would have a good chance of beating Froch...but...the risk/reward in taking on Taylor in the USA is much better than the risk/reward of taking on Ward or Dirrell in England...because a loss to these two prospects would be much more damaging, and a win against them would mean much less...than against Taylor.

So...Froch did the smart thing and took the best risk/reward fight he could get - Taylor in the USA! Yeah, good for him, he deserves credit for it, but he hasn't actually done something that was not in his best interest...

...so...NO...he could not have picked "an easy opponent for a voluntary defence back in Nottingham", as some Froch nuthuggers who don't know boxing claim...(for the reasons I explained above).:good

 

Cheers mate !

 

My pleasure, anytime.:good

 

Who exactly did Calzaghe ever hide from?

 

Kessler went to Australia to fight Mundine in his 1st title defence! So i dont think he would care about fighting Taylor in America in any way! BTW its Taylor who doesn`t want any of part Kessler! Please stick to the media, instead of making up things!

 

Like it or not, it is not irrelevant. He is a world champion, Andrade isn't. It's not a major factor in my judgement admittedly because there are so many belts about but saying it is irrelevant is flat out wrong IMO because titles are the main objective measure of success in the sport. What is flat out irrelevant is putting silly italics and underlinings in your post as if it's somehow going to make the point more valid.

To say he almost KO'd Bute is getting into "if my Auntie had bollocks" territory. He didn't, he lost that fight and to the other world class fighter he faced in Kessler (which was an embarrrassing one-sided beat down). I allow that these guys are better than anyone Froch has faced.

Yes, Andrade did KO Stieglitz and Mack (neither of whom are anything more than clubfighter/fringe contender level) impressively, but he had to get off his arse against Mack and I don't think that is more impressive than stopping Tatevosyan and Brian Magee. I take your point about Tatevosyan having already lost to Bute, but I am not one of those who think that because a fighter has a few losses, beating him is no achievement.

I'm well aware that Reid is shot, which is why I compared him to Grant, another good fighter on Andrade's record who is also shot but was probably similar level to Reid in his prime. I already said you coud rank these guys either way round, I just prefer Froch's accomplishments very slightly. If you rank them the other way round that's fine. But that's my take and I don't really care to get into an argument about it. You can have last word if you like :good