Marciano vs Langford

McVea never stopped a Larry Holmes, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Razor Ruddock, Mike Spinks or even a Trevor Berbick. Not even close.

Did Terry Norris get dis-invited from the Hall of Fame? Seriously.

No, the canonization of a fighter who would be distinctly ordinary in the modern era is embarrassing.

y'all enjoy the kool-aid.

 

Did not they all hold a version of the belt? Who amongst McVea's KO victims approached any of these fighters in achievement or skill? Larry Holmes is not great? I will file that one away for my erudition.

I would also pick a prime Terry Norris to beat McVea head to head. Such is the development of the sport.

I believe this thread is referencing the 1950's, which is decidedly the modern era.

 

Would you pick Terry Norris, Mike McCallum or Thomas Hearns to beat Jack Johnson?

 

I agree. Some people seem to think that no matter what Marciano will always wear any opponent down because he couldn't be hurt and never got tired and threw 500 power punches a round. And another thing, are people honestly trying to disparage Langford's heavyweight comp to make Marciano look better? Sad. To be honest, I don't think Jeannette or McVey were all that great, but prime versions of those two are about as good of wins as wins against past prime versions of Walcott and Charles, and Wills is a good amount better than anyone Marciano beat and Langford KO'd him when he was past his best. Langford beat better fighters at around the weightclass than Marciano.

 

Maxmoner is under this illusion that rocky was a wear you down type puncher. At his best, Marciano was a one punch knockout artist.

depends on how past there prime you think walcott and charles were. I tend to think Walcott and Charles in the first fights though slightly past there best were still great fighters capable of beating many champions including mcvea and jenette. Were talking a whole new skill set in the 1950s. Mcvea wouldnt know what to do with Walcott Waltz and cutie counterpunches....hes never seen that before in his life except perhaps when he got his ass handed to him by jack johnson. When charles throws triple left hook combinations, and gives him in and out flurries and head movement looks and trap counter right hands, mcvea has never seen this stuff before. nor has jenette, they didnt have these techniqes back then.

 

I call bull**** again. My naming of these names is in regard to McVea's resume. Who did he KO that was better than those who I named?

Even McVea's recorded KO ratio is highly reliant on fighters who had under 10 fights recorded. And let's go further and rely on contemporary accounts of the actual good fighters he fought, who claimed he was a bit of a retreating violet in the ring, standing behind a jab, backing up, trying to land the one left hook and clinching. He never, in all the accounts I have read, sounded like the savage pursuer some claim.

 

You're floundering here, partner.

Upon which criteria of greatness do you chose to make your pitiful argument? I have offered three; you have offered none.

And no, I will not take the senile ramblings of some has been as self-evident proof of punching power. Tread back into the shallow waters.

 

My point is/was/shall be that McVea never used his supposedly awesome facilities of punching power to defeat a decent opponent. My counter in support of Tyson was that he KO'd more than half a dozen fighters good enough to claim a belt, some extremely talented by evidence of film and, oh ****, I actually saw them fight. My counter in regards to Julian Jackson was that he KO'd Terry Norris, who was undoubtedly a great ****ing fighter. Where does this argument escape you?

Have another pint. I don't think we're speaking the same language.

 

Upon which criteria would you qualify a great hitter. After three requests, you have yet to answer this. I have offered some nominal criteria which you have bristled at. However, they are decent criteria none the less, and far better than your hearsay of old folks.

Uhh... He Ko'd Larry ****ing Holmes. He Ko'd near half a dozen belt holders, guys with real records, not bar room brawlers of the likes of McVea's victims. Where do you lose the logic in this argument?

In this context, I was referring to having seen live... i.e. blood splattering from the ring 25 feet away.

Who are you people? You hold no weight with me. We are all pedants on a web board. I don't even care if one or two of you has a book to your name. Since Liebling, there hasn't been a decent writer on boxing anyway. In regards to Norris, he was far more accomplished and skilled than anyone McVea ever beat. Your assertion was that Jackson never KO'd a great fighter, yet he KO'd a fighter who was heads and shoulders above McVea's best victims. Where is the disconnect for you here?
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Cheers, brosephus. I'm going out for the night.