If Froch had been brave and wanted glory and recognition, he'd have fought Calzaghe

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...but he wasn't brave, and didn't want glory and recognition, so Calzaghe had no reason to be interested in him.

    Froch only has himself to blame for not registering on Calzaghe's radar. Froch had the chance to make a name for himself earlier, and force Calzaghe to fight him, but chose not to:

    In early 2007, the IBF announced that an eliminator fight would take place to get a shot against the IBF Champ Berrio, within a couple of months.

    Bute was ranked highest, followed by Froch and Inkin.

    Bute said he wanted in. Froch was asked if he wanted to face Bute in the eliminator. He declined and prepared to face Tatevosyan, a journeyman, the man Bute had just taken to school, instread. Inkin declined the opportunity to fight Bute in the eliminator too. The IBF went down the list until they got to Bika, who took up the offer.

    Bute fought and beat Bika and then fought Berrio, for the title, in October 2007. Froch fought shot Reid the following month, for the British title, and said he's have KOed both Bute and Berrio on the same night. He also said he was ready to step up, now.

    Now he says he'll KO Bute in six rounds, having beaten Rybacki and Pascal, with the Taylor fight not even out of the way.

    It's a shame Froch decided to dodge Bute, the man he could have KOed in six rounds, because he could have become IBF Champ in October 2007.

    Calzaghe beat Kessler in November 2007. He then looked around and said: there's no one else for me to wait at 168 lbs for. But, things could have been different! After Kessler lost to Calzaghe, he called out Bute and everyone else at 168 lbs, Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins, etc., but Bute, for example, said he wasn't ready for the likes of Calzaghe or Kessler yet.

    If Froch had KOed Bute in six rounds, he could have then beaten Kessler in early 2008, and he'd have had as good a claim to challenge Calzaghe as anyone. No way in hell could Calzaghe have not fought him! The fans would not have allowed it! He couldn't have claimed he was obviously the man at 168 lbs...The money this fight would have made would have been huge!!! So...we could have witnessed Calzaghe v. Froch in 2008...

    ...but Froch dodged Bute, the man he then claimed he's have KOed on the same night as Berrio, and the man he now claims he'd KO in six rounds, and he fought Bute's leftovers instead...

    ...a brave man who wanted glory and recognition and who wanted to fight the best? :lol::lol:

    He could have fought Calzaghe in the biggest British fight for decades, for all the glory and recognition in the world, and for an 8 figure payday, but he chose not to...

    ...oh, well...:conf

    ...I guess it's all Calzaghe's fault...:yep
     
  2. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    froch was never on calzaghe's level,he brought absolutely nothing to make the fight worthwhile for joe
     
  3. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And this is where your not so serious debate starting post falls down.

    Calzaghe wouldn't have seen things differently.
     
  4. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It wasn't all that long ago that Calzaghe was fighting the likes of Bika and Manfredo. The fact that Froch is british creates some appeal, it isn't that unrealistic of decebel to suggest. Though i wouldn't hold any hard feelings against Froch.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Froch's resume would have been:

    Froch KO6 Bute
    Froch KO 3 Berrio
    Froch Win over Kessler

    and Calzaghe's best win would still have been Kessler...by then...

    ...so of course Calzaghe would have seen things differently.

    You might be new to boxing, but Calzaghe's always talked about his win over Kessler as the best thing he's achieved....he said so to Hopkins in a famous clash of heads: "Do you think YOU would have beaten Kessler?". He told Hopkins the same thing after he beat Jones and Hopkins begged him for a rematch: "Beat Kessler and then I'll give you a rematch!":good
     
  6. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After Kessler, Calzaghe wanted worldwide recognition, the kind of worldwide recognition that has come from beating the likes of BHop and RJJ.

    Plus the cash.

    So no, he really wouldn't have seen things differently.

    Anyway, I have nothing further to add so I'll leave you to it.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You had nothing to add in the first place, but thanks for bumping my thread!:hi:

    Calzaghe wanted recognition having proved he was THE MAN WITH NOTHING LEFT TO PROVE at 168 lbs. If Froch had beaten Bute, Berrio and most importantly, Kessler, too, Calzaghe wouldn't have been "the man with nothing left to prove at 168 lbs". He'd still have had to beat Froch to claim he was the man.
     
  8. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    true but the manfredo fight was a neccesary evil to get u.s tv suffiently interested enough to pick up calzaghe-kessler,so to that end it was the right fight to take.
     
  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Leave the man alone,he himself prolly knew he wasn't gonna get Joe ever,just talked **** so people would notice him.
    He has the spotlight now,let's see how he does.
    You will most likely be able to see him crumble in the Taylor fight.
     
  10. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    Froch may not have done enough to warrant a a shot at Calzaghe, and I certainly don't think Froch would beat him, but then what did someone like Ashira do to deserve a shot?

    Ashira had fought at light middle and middle all his career, he had one shot at the middleweight title and was KO'd in two rounds. His first, and subsequently only fight at super middle was a title shot against Calzaghe, bit of a joke really.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If he beats Taylor impressively, and then goes on to KO Bute and beat Kessler, it will eat him inside KNOWING that he could have fought Calzaghe and maybe beaten him too and he could already be a very, very rich man...with all the recognition, glory and fame in the world...

    ...but if you don't take the opportunities that come your way when they do, you have to get used to describing grapes as being sour, day after day after day.

    Good luck to him! His style of fighting is very exciting and I will watch every single one of his fights against good opposition with much pleasure. And...I will continue to hype him on ESB...but I won't ever call myself a fan of his until he banks the cheques his mouth is writing...:good
     
  12. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I doubt he would lose much sleep over it.

    If he stopped Taylor and Bute, and beat Kessler, his resume would pretty much be as good as Calzaghe's already.
     
  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You lost me after the seventh ''if''.
    He has a style that could at least look good against Taylor.
    It's a fight I'm intriguined about.
     
  14. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    thats frank warren for you.....:roll:
     
  15. DStew

    DStew Active Member Full Member

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    Decebal - you got any links to sources that back up Froch turning down Bute for the IBF eliminator in early '07?