What can you tell me about Ajose Olusegun?

But they'd look great on his resume and gain him recognition.

I doubt your boy will ever win a world title.

 

Even Vivian Harris would be a decent name on the record alot better than Haywood

 

I was agreeing with the all mouth and no trousers bit, not necessarily with TFFP's assessment of your guy's ability. He obviously has some talent, but as Gaz said we're having the same debates about him we were having two years ago and he's gone nowhere. His best wins since then were over domestic level guys. Struggling with Nigel Wright was not impressive either.

McCloskey is decent but he's not proven world class either so a win over him would be progress but not a massive leap. Bottom line your guy needs a good fight otherwise he's just gonna end up pissing his prime away at domestic level. I can believe to some extent that he struggles to get the opponents over here, as outside Hatton and Witter there isn't really anyone established at a high level and unlike Hatton in particular he isn't a big enough name to attract name overseas fighters over here to face him.

If he really can't get a top fight over here then why not the states? Guys like Ndou, Maussa, Ngoudjo, Edner Cherry, I'm sure some of those fighters would be happy to oblige him and, if he's as good as you keep claiming, they would be winnable fights.

 

True, Corley would look good on his record even though he's not half what he was. As for Judah, I would make him a favourite against Olusegun. Judah has lost only to top level guys like PBF, Spinks, Cotto and Clottey. Ajose has done nothing to suggest he is at that level and has struggled with fighters several steps below. I wish him the best, honestly I do, but the time has come to stop talking and get on with it!

 

McCloskey is a good fighter of that there is no doubt but I will put money on it that Ajose Olusegun stops him.

 

The only way he does not win a world title is if he is not allowed to fight for the world title. The day he fights for the world title he will win it in style and you know what I really don't care who the opponent is.

 

[quote="TKO";3703469]I was agreeing with the all mouth and no trousers bit, not necessarily with TFFP's assessment of your guy's ability. He obviously has some talent, but as Gaz said we're having the same debates about him we were having two years ago and he's gone nowhere. His best wins since then were over domestic level guys. Struggling with Nigel Wright was not impressive either.

McCloskey is decent but he's not proven world class either so a win over him would be progress but not a massive leap. Bottom line your guy needs a good fight otherwise he's just gonna end up pissing his prime away at domestic level. I can believe to some extent that he struggles to get the opponents over here, as outside Hatton and Witter there isn't really anyone established at a high level and unlike Hatton in particular he isn't a big enough name to attract name overseas fighters over here to face him.

If he really can't get a top fight over here then why not the states? Guys like Ndou, Maussa, Ngoudjo, Edner Cherry, I'm sure some of those fighters would be happy to oblige him and, if he's as good as you keep claiming, they would be winnable fights.[/quote]

McCloskey is not my preference because there is much bigger fish to fry. Ngoudjo will not face him for personal reasons, I think Ndou is now a faded force, Cheery is okay but personally my preference is Junior Witter or Devon Alexander to make a definitive statement to guarantee the world title shot. The problem with the likes of McCloskey is that some will rightly expect us to win and then those who pick McCloskey to win will say it is no great when my guy beats him. I just think it will be a good fight for Britain as some people really would fancy McCloskey who I keep maintaining is a good fighter.

 

[quote="TKO";3703484]True, Corley would look good on his record even though he's not half what he was. As for Judah, I would make him a favourite against Olusegun. Judah has lost only to top level guys like PBF, Spinks, Cotto and Clottey. Ajose has done nothing to suggest he is at that level and has struggled with fighters several steps below. I wish him the best, honestly I do, but the time has come to stop talking and get on with it![/quote]

Thanks TKO I think the moment of truth is beckoning for the 140 pound division as it did for the featherweight division in 1984 in the guise of Azumah Nelson. I remember some claiming Barry McGuigan was the best when even Barry and his team knew the Terrible Terror from Accra Ghana was the man and made a career of studiously avoiding him. Poor Jim McDonell's reward was contest with Azumah Nelson were McDonell performed with great valour but like many Nelson opponents would never be quite the same again after receiving the full treatment from the Professor.

 

Fair enough, yes I'll be the first to say McCloskey is a step in the right direction and would be a good fight. I was just giving examples with the names I gave, I'm sure there are other fighters of a similar level he could meet. Witter or Alexander would be good fights, specifically Witter which would be a classic crossroads matchup between the guy looking to get back to the top and the guy looking to show he belongs there. I couldn't see Alexander facing him - he has apparently been given next shot at the Bradley/Holt winner and unless your name is Jermain Taylor, there's no sense fighting an eliminator for a shot you have already been given. But it needs somebody from either side to kick the tyres and make the fight. Witter-Ajose would be a natural final eliminator for the next title shot.

 

McCloskey would have been a step in the right direction 3 years ago. Olu the guy needs to earn a title shot by beating ranked fighters. He has not done this and i am sure not everyone is / was ducking him. He could have gone the Scot Harrison path and take on former champions but has not. He could have taken on fellow young contenders but has not.

What in your opinion has he done to deserve a title shot, who has he beaten that is better than the men who are getting title shots ?

Comparing him to Azumah Nelson is unbelievable , Nelson fought a whos who of featherweights. He stepped up to the plate early and made a name for himself. I was there when he beat McDonnell and he was a fantastic fighter, your man has not fought anyone of the level of McDonnell.

Time to step up or shut up really, or in 10 years time all he will have is excuses.

 

I ask again what has Ajose done to deserve a title shot ?

 

A yes the amazing Martin Holgate who was 2-2 in his last 4 going into the fight. He had fought those 4 bouts over a period of over 5 years and one of them included being stopped by Jawaid Khaliq, in Khaliq's 2nd fight !

Holgate never won an area level belt and I'd guess if you could have gotten odds on the bout Olusegun considering he was a 2000 Olympian and 6-0 as a pro at the time, including a debut win over Tony Montana(a better fighter than Holgate) I'd assume the Nigerian would of been a heavy heavy favourite despite how Olu may try and portray things.

Interesting to note the man who Ajose beat on his debut has a win over the man Ajose beat in his 26rd(and last) fight.


Now Victor Kpadenue, who was 'basically a middleweight'......is that why he was the reigning ABU Light-Welterweight champion going into the fight ?
Just because he's fought at Middleweight doesn't make him a Middleweight and considering he was the reigning champion at best you could say he was a big Light-Welterweight.
Olusegun was the home fighter in this fight aswell, and was 12-0 going into this bout compared to Kpadenue's recorded(I assume he's had more bouts) 3-2. Once again I'd guess Olusegun was a heavy favourite for this bout.

Nuumbembe struggled badly to make the weight on such short notice for his fight with Ajose, and although it was a very good performance(best of his career), it remains to be seen how he would of coped had both fighters had full notice.


So now you've listed his 3 best wins, one was 3 years ago, another was 5 years ago, and another was 6 1/2 years ago, so why should Ajose deserve a shot now ?

He's not likely to be involved in the WBC's eliminator as things stand at the moment anyway as he's dropped down to #7 having fought very poor opposition for the past 3 years. Nigel Wright, Scott Haywood and Gary Reid are his 3 best wins in that time(in that order).

Reid has shown himself to fall short at English level, Haywood at the level just above that and although I wouldn't write off Wright from someday winning a British or Commonwealth title so far he has failed to do so and only shown to be a decent English champion.
Yet Olusegun is supposedly going to conquer the World's best and he hasn't even beaten the best at domestic level ?

McCloskey will be the first time he's fought the best domestic level opponent available and will be an indicator of whether he can go on to fringe World class level, nevermind genuine World title level.

 

So you keep saying, I'm looking forward to being proved wrong but I can't see it.

 

You still have not said what you feel he has done to EARN a title shot either

 

Ajose left arm is over 4" longer than his right. Weird but true.